SEPTEMBER 2024 - 3 Years Old child, Type1 Diabetes, Insulin Hypoglycemia, Intermittent, Bloating 1 Month

PATIENT DATA LOG OF SEPTEMBER - 2024


01/09/24

Patient Advocate: 1.09.24

7.30am blood suger 80

7.30am nuts and dates 

7.45am milk and puffed


02/09/24

Patient Advocate: 9.45am 2u lispro insulin 

9.55am rice with papaya, chayote, green banana, long beans, Spiny guard, pumpkin, egg and salad 

12.00noon mosambi, apple

1.45pm 2u lispro insulin 

1.55pm lunch with same previous dish except egg and include fish 

4.00pm blood sugar 228

5.30pm sour curd 

7.00pm oats

9.45pm 2u lispro insulin 

9.55pm dinner with as same as lunch dish 

10.40pm 4u lantus insulin


PaJR PHR Moderator: (Gotokal er fasting dekhe uporer montobbo korechilam.

Aajker fasting ta jaante parle bhalo hoto) đŸ‘†


03/09/24

Patient Advocate: 2.09.24

7.30am nuts and dates 

7.45am milk and puffed rice 

9.45am 2u lispro insulin 

9.55am rice with papaya, chayote, sponge gourd, long beans, green banana, soyabean and salad 

12.00noon blood suger 267

12.00noon  mosambi 

1.45pm 2u lispro insulin 

1.55pm lunch with same previous dish 

5.30pm sour curd 

7.00pm banana 

9.45pm blood sugar 107

9.45pm 2u lispro insulin

9.55pm dinner with as same as lunch dish 

10.40pm 4u lantus insulin


04/09/24

Patient Advocate: 03.09.24

7.30am nuts and dates 

7.45am milk 

9.45am 2u lispro insulin 

9.55am rice with pointed gourd, tometo, papaya, long beans, bitter gourd, spiny gourd, egg and salad 

12.00noon mosambi 

1.45pm blood sugar 257

1.45pm 3u lispro insulin 

1.55pm lunch with same previous dish except egg and include fish 

4.00pm blood sugar 140

5.30pm sour curd 

7.00pm oats 

9.45pm 2u lispro insulin 

9.55pm dinner with as same as lunch dish 

10.40pm 4u lantus insulin 

12.00night blood sugar 179


04/09/24

7.30am blood sugar 174

7.30am nuts and dates 

7.45am milk


05/09/24

Patient Advocate: 9.45am 2u lispro insulin 

9.55am rice with pointed gourd, ribbed gourd, long beans, bitter gourd, spiny gourd, tomato, egg and salad 

12.00noon mosambi 

1.45pm 2u lispro insulin 

1.55pm lunch with same previous dish except egg and include fish 

4.00pm blood sugar 211

5.30pm sour curd 

7.00pm little bit of dosa and banana 

9.45pm 2u lispro insulin 

9.55pm dinner with as same as lunch dish 

10.40pn 4u lantus insulin


06/09/24

Patient Advocate: 5.09.24

7.30am nuts and dates 

7.45am milk

9.45am 2u lispro insulin 

9.55am rice with pointed gourd, chayote, green banana, papaya, long beans, bitter gourd, egg and salad 

12.00noon blood sugar 249

12.00noon mosambi 

1.45pm 3u lispro insulin 

1.55pm lunch with same previous dish except egg and include fish 

4.00pm blood sugar 71

5.30pm sour curd 

7.00pm banana 

9.30pm pizza

9.45pm 2u lispro insulin 

9.55pm rice with as same as lunch dish 

10.40pm 4u lantus insulin


PaJR PHR Moderator: 2 unit of lispro appears less and 3 units appears dangerously close to hypoglycemia!

If only we could procure 2.5

Check fasting sugars to decide the suitability of the current lantus dose


Patient Advocate: Ok Sir

6.09.24

7.30am blood sugar 135

7.30am milk and puffed rice


07/09/24

Patient Advocate: 9.45am 2u lispro insulin 

9.55am rice with chayote, green banana, papaya, long beans, pointed gourd, tomato, bitter gourd,spiny gourd and salad 

12.00noon  mosambi 

1.45pm blood sugar 174

1.45pm 2u lispro insulin 

1.55pm lunch with same previous dish include fish 

5.30pm sour curd 

7.00pm banana 

9.45pm 2u lispro insulin 

9.55pm dinner with as same as lunch dish 

10.40pm 4u lantus insulin


08/09/24

Patient Advocate: 7/09/24

7.45am milk and puffed rice 

9.45am 2u lispro insulin 

9.55am rice with pointed gourd chayote brinjal tomato fish and salad 

12.00noon mosambi 

1.45pm blood sugar 148

1.45pm 2u lispro insulin 

1.55pm lunch with same previous dish 

5.38pm sour curd 

7.00pm banana 

9.45pm 2u lispro insulin 

9.55pm khichdi 

10.40pm 4u lantus insulin 

12.00noon blood sugar 45


PaJR PHR Moderator: 12:00 AM hypoglycemia!? Any symptoms?


Patient Advocate: No Sir 

1 teaspoon sugar was given


PaJR PHR Moderator: No symptoms?

She needs CGM to prevent such episodes


Patient Advocate: 8.09.24

7.30am blood sugar 101

7.30am nuts and dates 

7.45am milk and puffed

09/09/24

Patient Advocate: 9.45am 2u lispro insulin 

9.55am rice with pointed gourd, chayote, green banana, papaya, long beans, egg and salad 

12.00noon mosambi 

1.45pm 2u lispro insulin 

1.55pm lunch with same previous dish except egg and include fish 

4.00pm blood sugar 129

5.30pm sour curd 

7.00pm oats 

9.45pm 2u lispro insulin 

9.55pm dinner with as same as lunch dish 

10.40pm 3u lantus insulin


10/09/24

Patient Advocate: 9.09/24

7.30am nuts and dates 

7.45am milk and puffed rice 

9.45am 2u lispro insulin 

9.55am rice with chayote, green banana, papaya, long beans, pointed gourd, egg and salad 

12.00noon mosambi 

1.45pm blood sugar 280

1.45pm 3u lispro insulin 

1.55pm lunch with same previous dish except egg 

4.00pm blood sugar 285

5.30pm sour curd 

7.00pm banana 

9.45pm blood sugar 297

9.45 3u lispro insulin 

9.55pm dinner with as same as lunch dish 

10.40pm 4u lantus insulin


PaJR PHR Moderator: Slightly high today due to x factors!


Patient Advocate: 10/09/24

7.30am nuts and dates 

7.45am milk with palm (tal)

9.45am 2u lispro insulin 

9.55am rice with papaya, chayote, bitter gourd, long beans, green banana, and salad 

12.00noon blood sugar 218

12.00noon mosambi 

1.45pm 3u lispro insulin 

1.55pm lunch with same previous dish except egg and include fish 

5.30pm sour curd 

7.00pm milk with palm and banana 

9.45pm blood sugar 208

9.45pm 2u lispro insulin 

9.55pm dinner with as same as lunch dish


11/09/24

Patient Advocate: 10.40pm 4u lantus insulin


11/09/24

7.30am fasting blood suger 72

7.30am nuts and dates 

7.45am milk with puffed rice


PaJR PHR Moderator: Low fasting reflects the need for optimizing dose of lantus

Higher post meal sugars means the lispro needs to be optimised but again due to x factors as well as known factors such as diet and exercise, this is difficult as the sugar levels keep varying till we able to monitor it more meticulously


12/09/24

Patient Advocate: 9.45am 2u lispro insulin 

9.55am rice with papaya, chayote, bitter gourd, spiny gourd, ribbed gourd, tomato, egg and salad 

12.00noon mosambi 

1.45pm blood sugar 89

1.45pm 2u lispro insulin 

1.55pm lunch with same previous dish except egg and include fish 

5.30pm sour curd 

7.00pm banana 

9.45pm 2u lispro insulin 

9.55pm dinner with as same as lunch dish 

10.40pm 4u lantus insulin 

12.00night blood suger 93


PaJR PHR Moderator: The lispro should have been 1 unit yesterday at least starting from before lunch and dinner

The lantus needs to be reduced to 3


Patient Advocate: Ok Sir

Sir ekhane ekta jinish lakshya kara jachhe lantus ta use korte korte kichhu din por por pen er madhya haoa(air) dhuke jachche sei samay lantus ja deoa hoy puro ta dhoke na takhon sugar level bere jaiāĨ¤

Abar air ta barkore diye tarpor push korle takhon sugar level thik thak asheāĨ¤

Kintu air ta jadi alpo thake tahole bar korte asubidha hay


PaJR PHR Moderator: @Meta AI please translate this for our other group members


Meta AI: I'd be happy to help! Please share the text you'd like me to translate, and let me know which language you'd like it to be translated into.


PaJR PHR Moderator: @Meta AI Sir ekhane ekta jinish lakshya kara jachhe lantus ta use korte korte kichhu din por por pen er madhya haoa(air) dhuke jachche sei samay lantus ja deoa hoy puro ta dhoke na takhon sugar level bere jaiāĨ¤
Abar air ta barkore diye tarpor push korle takhon sugar level thik thak asheāĨ¤
Kintu air ta jadi alpo thake tahole bar korte asubidha hay


Meta AI: I can translate that for you. Here's the translation:

"When using Lantus, after a few days, air enters the pen, and if the full dose is not administered at that time, the sugar level rises. If air is removed by tapping and then injecting, the sugar level remains under control. However, if there is less air, it is difficult to administer the dose."

Please note that this text appears to be discussing the use of an insulin pen, specifically Lantus, and the importance of removing air from the pen to ensure accurate dosing and blood sugar control. If you have any further questions or need additional assistance, feel free to ask!


PaJR PHR Moderator: 👆@Participant 19 @Participant 20 @Participant 21 would you like to comment on this?

Sir ekhane ekta jinish lakshya kara jachhe lantus ta use korte korte kichhu din por por pen er madhya haoa(air) dhuke jachche sei samay lantus ja deoa hoy puro ta dhoke na takhon sugar level bere jaiāĨ¤

Abar air ta barkore diye tarpor push korle takhon sugar level thik thak asheāĨ¤

Kintu air ta jadi alpo thake tahole bar korte asubidha hay

@Meta AI please translate this for our other group members

I can translate that for you. Here's the translation:

"When using Lantus, after a few days, air enters the pen, and if the full dose is not administered at that time, the sugar level rises. If air is removed by tapping and then injecting, the sugar level remains under control. However, if there is less air, it is difficult to administer the dose."

Please note that this text appears to be discussing the use of an insulin pen, specifically Lantus, and the importance of removing air from the pen to ensure accurate dosing and blood sugar control. If you have any further questions or need additional assistance, feel free to ask!


Participant 20: Will need a trend to make any reasonable conclusion.

Please also consider Thyroid and Adrenal insufficiency as he could be at high risk for Autoimmune polyglandular syndromes.


Patient Advocate: Same problem was seen first time also in lispro pen


PaJR PHR Moderator: Here's the trend since last 6 months 👇

https://narmeenshah.blogspot.com/2024/07/3-year-old-child-type1-diabetes-insulin.html?m=1

@Narmeen Shah @Participant 22 can you put it in an LLM and see if you can share it graphically since last one month and separately for last one week?


Narmeen Shah: Ok sir


PaJR PHR Moderator: Inputs from our pediatric endocrinologist in NJ:

I’m not sure I understand the question correctly: air bubbles have to be removed from pens at first use, and from syringes at every use. Typically, if the technique is correct, then after the first expulsion of air from a cartridge, there should be no way for air to enter the cartridge.  Now, they will have to waste some insulin at the start to get rid of airâ€Ļ sometimes they have to do it a few times, because some cartridges can have more air. 

Has someone watched the technique of injection? 

My mother has been using Basalog Pens for at least 10 years now. And she had this issue initially, until we made her watch some instructional videos. She was loath to waste even small amounts of insulin initially, because of the cost, so she was skipping the step of removing air bubbles! 

Here’s one, but if you have something in a local language, it’ll be better. 

https://youtu.be/ZcfKG0Mp3kI?si=cW7ggTLgBJxlytmq

PaJR PHR Moderator: Please share a video of how you use the pen today keeping the patient deidentified

I think he may have shared a similar video earlier. Is it in her case report link?



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12/09/24

7.30am blood sugar 53

7.30am nuts, chocolate 

and dates

7.45am milk and puffed rice 

9.45am 2u lispro insulin 

9.55am rice with papaya, chayote, bitter gourd, spiny gourd, tomato, pumpkin, egg and salad 

12.00noon mosambi 

1.45pm 2u lispro insulin 

1.55pm lunch with same previous dish except egg and include fish 

4.00pm blood suger 128

5.30pm sour curd 

7.00pm banana 

9.45pm 2u lispro insulin 

9.55pm dinner with as same as previous dish 

10.40pm 3u lantus insulin


13/09/24

PaJR PHR Moderator: The hypoglycemia is the effect of 4U of lantus on 11/9/2024!

Did she have any symptoms of hypoglycemia?


Patient Advocate: No Sir

13.09.24

7.30am nuts and dates 

7.45am milk and puffed rice 

9.45am 2u lispro insulin 

9.55am rice with pointed gourd, chayote, papaya, green banana, long beans, ribbed gourd, bitter gourd, pumpkin egg and salad 

12.00noon blood sugar 282

12.00noon apple

1.45pm 2u lispro insulin 

1.55pm lunch with same previous dish except egg and include fish

5.30pm sour curd 

7.00pm banana 

9.45pm blood suger 57

9.45pm 2u lispro insulin 

9.55pm dinner with as same as lunch dish 

10.40pm 3u lantus insulin


14/09/24

PaJR PHR Moderator: Let's start with the trends of fluctuations for this week.

Also @Patient Advocate can you share an image of the paper based charts that you keep for this and last month? 

The case report contains some paper based charts from few months back I guess

Because we don't have CGM here we are unable to keep track of the number of asymptomatic hypoglycemia events this patient is having @Participant 20

@Participant 23 had promised to find out some monitoring equipment developed by his IIT colleagues but I guess that didn't materialize? 

We also looked for CGM monitors suitable for 3 years old children and found some but perhaps we gave up earlier due to logistics.

Any idea what they may use for monitoring for 3 years old diabetics in UK and US?


Narmeen Shah: Greetings sir 🙏

Sir I tried my best for two days to plot the data into graph using llm, python coding and spss software as well as manually but wasn't able to get the desired output and unable to merge both the graphs with respect to time. Beyond my expertise. 🙏

Below are the visualizations for what I was able to do so far.

(For the whole month of August 2024)











PaJR PHR Moderator: Well done 👏

The fluctuations are standing out

Was her lantus ever increased to 5?

Would be nice to see what has been brewing in September till now

Do update her case report with the above images that you generated


Narmeen Shah: Yes sir. Here's the data I extracted.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18DeTEzBh_cm27WhVqF3dLloLw6JnEBGNl5Uj1gPv4wY/edit?usp=sharing

Here's the input & output.

https://colab.research.google.com/drive/1rh2STRsbpcS4Cxihgnf0mGf75Cu7MiwT?usp=sharing


PaJR PHR Moderator: Let's archive all the above into her case report


Narmeen Shah: Ok sir


Participant 20: I'm aware that Abbott Freestyle Libre has been discussed. What's the progress on that front?


PaJR PHR Moderator: Can you share if it can be ordered on Amazon for a three year old child?


Patient Adavocate: 14/09/24

7.30am nuts and dates 

7.45am milk and puffed rice 

9.45am 2u lispro insulin 

9.55am rice with papaya, chayote, bitter gourd, spiny gourd, tomato, long beans,  pumpkin, egg and salad 

12.00noon pieces of mixed fruit ( prasad)

1.45pm blood suger 226

1.45pm 3u lispro insulin

1.55pm lunch with same previous dish except egg 

4.00pm blood sugar 74

5.30pm sour curd 

7.00pm banana






Narmeen Shah:







PaJR PHR Moderator: Parents described benefits of CGM use: decreased worry about glucose excursions, improved sleep, increased sense of safety with children who cannot recognize or express symptoms of hypo- or hyperglycemia, and greater comfort with other caregivers, especially using remote monitoring functionality when away from children. Challenges included painful insertions, wearing multiple devices on small bodies, disruptive alerts, data gaps due to lost signals, skin/adhesive problems, and difficulty interpreting the amount of information generated by CGM.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6708264/


PaJR PHR Moderator: Inputs from global pediatric endocrinologist:

Instead of daily excursions, can we get a graph of mean daily values (pre- and post/breakfast, pre- and post-lunch, pre- and post-dinner etc): values may not be available for each time point everyday. Grouping the timings around meals is better than calendar times, and allows an assessment of responses in the fed and post-absorptive states.


15/09/24

Patient Advocate: 9.45pm 2u lispro insulin 

9.55pm dinner with as same as lunch dish 

10.40pm 3u lantus insulin


15/09/24

7.30am blood sugar 270

7.30am nuts and dates 

7.45am milk with puffed rice 

9.45am 2u lispro insulin 

9.55am rice with pointed gourd, chayote, papaya, long beans, pumpkin, egg and salad


Paticipant 20: My analysis is that the 2U lispro is not sufficing for both breakfast and Lunch.

Lispro for dinner appears okay.

Lantus 4U seems perfect at bedtime. However there are occasional low sugar events in the morning.

Ideally we need 2 am or 3 am blood sugars too to check if there is any nocturnal high or low blood sugars.


Narmeen Shah:

Assumptions

1. Post and Pre meal times don't mean that nothing is fed between these intervals.

2. Insulin has been given either after the meal or before the meal so the sugar levels are not independent of interventions.








https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18DeTEzBh_cm27WhVqF3dLloLw6JnEBGNl5Uj1gPv4wY/edit?usp=sharing

https://colab.research.google.com/drive/1rh2STRsbpcS4Cxihgnf0mGf75Cu7MiwT?usp=sharing


PaJR PHR Moderator: Well done 👏

Keep adding these to her online case report too


Narmeen Shah: Ok sir 🙏


Patient Advocate: 12.00noon mosambi 

1.45pm 2u lispro insulin 

1.55pm lunch with same previous dish except egg and include fish 

4.00pm blood sugar 298

5.30pm sour curd


PaJR PHR Moderator: Quoting from the case report our notes on 👇

06/09/24

Patient Advocate: 5.09.24

7.30am nuts and dates 

7.45am milk

9.45am 2u lispro insulin 

9.55am rice with pointed gourd, chayote, green banana, papaya, long beans, bitter gourd, egg and salad 

12.00noon blood sugar 249

12.00noon mosambi 

1.45pm 3u lispro insulin 

1.55pm lunch with same previous dish except egg and include fish 

4.00pm blood sugar 71

5.30pm sour curd 

7.00pm banana 

9.30pm pizza

9.45pm 2u lispro insulin 

9.55pm rice with as same as lunch dish 

10.40pm 4u lantus insulin

PaJR PHR Moderator: 2 unit of lispro appears less and 3 units appears dangerously close to hypoglycemia!

If only we could procure 2.5

Check fasting sugars to decide the suitability of the current lantus dose


Participant 20: Why not Actrapid? Slightly lesser peak than Lispro and a couple hours more duration of action.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_WP94jHW5P8t620REGJGX0rEmHYxdig5/view?usp=sharing

This is a document on "Dose adjustment for normal eating (DAFNE)" which allows for precise calculation of carbohydrate portion and adjust insulin doses accordingly.

The standard recommendation for 1 CP is 1 unit Lispro (Humalog). But I would advise to start with 1/2 (half) unit for each CP to see how the child responds.


16/09/24

PaJR PHR Moderator:

"Dyadic conversational inputs around this patient that would be useful for the entire team of learners here:

Pediatric Endocrinologist: Very useful! Thank you. If the stated assumptions are true (can it be checked?). 

Moderator: @Narmeen Shah please see if you can verify the stated assumption/conclusion from your graph as in numbered the lines below:

1)...then, the fasting (pre-bf) is a tad too low. 

The lid pro insulin at bf is not enough (bolts insulin has two jobs - to bring the pre-meal blood sugar down, if it’s high, and to cover the carbs + protein eaten at the meal). 

2) In this case, the pre-bf values is on the lower end, and the post bf is very high. 

So she needs more insulin at breakfast, not unexpected (“first meal effect”). The lid pro at lunch is good to cover her lunch (pre- and post-lunch are very similar, so if pre-lunch is decreased, post-lunch will also be lower). 

Her dinner list spro is too much. So, I think if her breakfast lispro is increased, and dinner lispro is decreased, her sugars will even out. 

This graph should be repeated every 2 weeks and adjustments need to be made.

PaJR moderator: Very valuable inputs for this patient. I guess the catch is in the dose increments and decrements as we are unable to increase it by 0.5U that would be safer?

Pediatric Endocrinologist: True, but I would reduce dinner lispro by 1 unit and increase breakfast lispro by 1

PaJR moderator: I guess that may have been done in the past if we could wade through the entire case report events documented till date since months and hence we were hung on titrating with 0.5."


Patient Advocate: 7.00,pm banana 

9.45pm blood sugar 289

9.45pm 3u lispro insulin 

9.55pm dinner with as same as lunch dish 

10.40pm 4u lantus insulin

7.30am blood sugar 90

7.30am nuts and dates 

7.42am milk and puffed rice 

9.45am 2u lispro insulin 

9.55am rice with pointed gourd, chayote, papaya, long beans, Spiny guard, ribbed gourd, egg and salad 

12.00noon blood suger 297

12.00noon mosambi

1.45pm 3u lispro insulin 

1.55pm lunch with same previous dish except egg 

5.30pm sour curd 

7.00pm banana


17/09/24

PaJR PHR Moderator: 

"Query:

Why it is happening that sugar levels are that much low in pre breakfast and high in post breakfast and low at night. Check the above daily routine again from sep 1 - sept 13 and analyze the keen aspect.

ChatGPT said:

The pattern of blood sugar levels being low in pre-breakfast and high in post-breakfast, followed by low at night, can be analyzed in the context of the provided daily routine and insulin doses. Here’s a detailed look at the possible reasons behind this pattern:

1. Pre-Breakfast Low Blood Sugars:

  • - Lantus (long-acting insulin) is administered at 10:40 pm, which peaks during the night, potentially contributing to low blood sugar in the morning (pre-breakfast).
  • - The fasting blood sugars are quite low on several days (e.g., 72 on 11/09, 53 on 12/09). This suggests the night dose of Lantus (4 units) might be slightly too high, as indicated by the PaJR PHR Moderator's recommendation to reduce Lantus to 3 units.
  • - Overnight hypoglycemia (unnoticed due to lack of symptoms) may occur, leading to low morning fasting levels.
  • - The low pre-breakfast levels may also be due to prolonged fasting (i.e., the time gap between dinner and breakfast).

2. Post-Breakfast High Blood Sugars:

  • - The Lispro dose given at breakfast (2 units) appears insufficient to handle the carbohydrates and protein in the breakfast meal.
  • - On many days, the post-breakfast sugars spike (e.g., 267 on 03/09, 282 on 13/09), indicating that the insulin-to-carbohydrate ratio at breakfast is inadequate.
  • - The phenomenon of "dawn phenomenon" or "first meal effect" could also be at play, where insulin resistance is typically higher in the morning, requiring more insulin at breakfast.
  • - The meal composition (e.g., puffed rice, nuts, dates) likely contains high glycemic index (GI) carbs that cause rapid spikes in blood sugar, and 2 units of Lispro may not be enough to manage this.

3. Low Nighttime Blood Sugars:

  • - After dinner, the pre-bedtime sugar levels (e.g., 57 on 13/09) are quite low, which suggests that the dinner Lispro dose (2 units) may be too high relative to the amount of carbs consumed at dinner.
  • - The insulin sensitivity increases at night, which means the same dose of insulin might have a stronger effect, leading to low blood sugars before bed or overnight hypoglycemia.
  • - The combination of long-acting Lantus and short-acting Lispro at night could be causing excessive lowering of blood sugars during the night, especially if the evening meal has fewer carbohydrates or if there is less activity.

Key Analysis Points:

1. Breakfast Lispro Dose Insufficient:

  • - The post-breakfast blood sugars are significantly higher than pre-breakfast levels. The 2-unit Lispro given at breakfast may not be covering the amount of carbs/protein in breakfast or dealing with the "dawn phenomenon."
  • - Increasing the Lispro dose at breakfast (e.g., from 2 units to 3 units) might help better manage these spikes.

2. Lantus Dose Too High at Night:

  • - The low pre-breakfast blood sugars suggest the Lantus dose needs to be reduced at night. Reducing it from 4 units to 3 units might prevent nighttime hypoglycemia.
  • - The PaJR PHR Moderator suggested this adjustment to optimize the nighttime glucose levels.

3. Dinner Lispro Needs Adjustment:

  • - The 2 units of Lispro at dinner may be too much, especially if the evening meal is low in carbs. Reducing this dose to 1 or 1.5 units might prevent low post-dinner and pre-bedtime sugar levels.

4. Monitoring and Adjustments:

  • - Continuous Glucose Monitoring (CGM) or frequent blood sugar checks might be necessary to track fluctuations throughout the day, especially overnight.
  • - Adjusting both meal composition and insulin doses for different times of day is key to preventing these high-low swings.

Suggested Next Steps:

  • - Increase Lispro dose at breakfast to 3 units to manage the morning spike.
  • - Reduce Lantus to 3 units at night to prevent pre-breakfast lows.
  • - Reduce Lispro at dinner (possibly to 1.5 units) to avoid low nighttime sugars.

This should help smooth out the extremes and stabilize blood sugar levels throughout the day.

Disclaimer:

The information provided in this analysis is intended for experimental and informational purposes only. It is not meant to replace professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Do not use this analysis as medical advice, as it could lead to unintended consequences or complications. Always seek the guidance of a healthcare professional before making any adjustments to your diabetes management plan.


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- āĻĒā§āĻ°āĻžāĻ¤āĻƒāĻ°āĻžāĻļā§‡āĻ° āĻĒāĻ°ā§‡ āĻ°āĻ•ā§āĻ¤ā§‡ āĻļāĻ°ā§āĻ•āĻ°āĻž āĻĒā§āĻ°āĻžāĻ•-āĻ¨āĻžāĻ¸ā§āĻ¤āĻžāĻ° āĻŽāĻžāĻ¤ā§āĻ°āĻžāĻ° āĻ¤ā§āĻ˛āĻ¨āĻžāĻ¯āĻŧ āĻ‰āĻ˛ā§āĻ˛ā§‡āĻ–āĻ¯ā§‹āĻ—ā§āĻ¯āĻ­āĻžāĻŦā§‡ āĻŦā§‡āĻļāĻŋāĨ¤ āĻĒā§āĻ°āĻžāĻ¤āĻƒāĻ°āĻžāĻļā§‡āĻ° āĻ¸āĻŽāĻ¯āĻŧ āĻĻā§‡āĻ“āĻ¯āĻŧāĻž 2-āĻ‡āĻ‰āĻ¨āĻŋāĻŸ āĻ˛āĻŋāĻ¸āĻĒā§āĻ°ā§‹ āĻĒā§āĻ°āĻžāĻ¤āĻƒāĻ°āĻžāĻļā§‡āĻ° āĻ•āĻžāĻ°ā§āĻŦā§‹āĻšāĻžāĻ‡āĻĄā§āĻ°ā§‡āĻŸ/āĻĒā§āĻ°ā§‹āĻŸāĻŋāĻ¨ā§‡āĻ° āĻĒāĻ°āĻŋāĻŽāĻžāĻŖāĻ•ā§‡ āĻ•āĻ­āĻžāĻ° āĻ•āĻ°ā§‡ āĻ¨āĻž āĻŦāĻž "āĻ­ā§‹āĻ°ā§‡āĻ° āĻ˜āĻŸāĻ¨āĻž" āĻ¨āĻŋāĻ¯āĻŧā§‡ āĻ•āĻžāĻœ āĻ•āĻ°āĻ¤ā§‡ āĻĒāĻžāĻ°ā§‡ āĻ¨āĻžāĨ¤

- āĻĒā§āĻ°āĻžāĻ¤āĻƒāĻ°āĻžāĻļā§‡āĻ° āĻ¸āĻŽāĻ¯āĻŧ Lispro āĻĄā§‹āĻœ āĻŦāĻžāĻĄāĻŧāĻžāĻ¨ā§‹ (āĻ¯ā§‡āĻŽāĻ¨, 2 āĻ‡āĻ‰āĻ¨āĻŋāĻŸ āĻĨā§‡āĻ•ā§‡ 3 āĻ‡āĻ‰āĻ¨āĻŋāĻŸ) āĻāĻ‡ āĻ¸ā§āĻĒāĻžāĻ‡āĻ•āĻ—ā§āĻ˛āĻŋāĻ•ā§‡ āĻ†āĻ°āĻ“ āĻ­āĻžāĻ˛āĻ­āĻžāĻŦā§‡ āĻĒāĻ°āĻŋāĻšāĻžāĻ˛āĻ¨āĻž āĻ•āĻ°āĻ¤ā§‡ āĻ¸āĻšāĻžāĻ¯āĻŧāĻ¤āĻž āĻ•āĻ°āĻ¤ā§‡ āĻĒāĻžāĻ°ā§‡āĨ¤

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āĻšā§āĻ¯āĻžāĻŸāĻœāĻŋāĻĒāĻŋāĻŸāĻŋ āĻŦāĻ˛ā§‡āĻ›ā§‡āĻ¨:

āĻĒā§āĻ°āĻžāĻ•-āĻ¨āĻžāĻ¸ā§āĻ¤āĻžāĻ¯āĻŧ āĻ°āĻ•ā§āĻ¤ā§‡ āĻļāĻ°ā§āĻ•āĻ°āĻžāĻ° āĻŽāĻžāĻ¤ā§āĻ°āĻž āĻ•āĻŽ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻĒā§āĻ°āĻžāĻ¤āĻƒāĻ°āĻžāĻļā§‡āĻ° āĻĒāĻ°ā§‡ āĻ‰āĻšā§āĻšāĻ¤āĻ° āĻšāĻ“āĻ¯āĻŧāĻžāĻ° āĻ§āĻ°āĻŖ, āĻ°āĻžāĻ¤ā§‡ āĻ•āĻŽ āĻšāĻ“āĻ¯āĻŧāĻžāĻ° āĻĒāĻ°, āĻĒā§āĻ°āĻĻāĻ¤ā§āĻ¤ āĻĻā§ˆāĻ¨āĻŋāĻ• āĻ°ā§āĻŸāĻŋāĻ¨ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻ‡āĻ¨āĻ¸ā§āĻ˛āĻŋāĻ¨ā§‡āĻ° āĻŽāĻžāĻ¤ā§āĻ°āĻžāĻ° āĻĒāĻ°āĻŋāĻĒā§āĻ°ā§‡āĻ•ā§āĻˇāĻŋāĻ¤ā§‡ āĻŦāĻŋāĻļā§āĻ˛ā§‡āĻˇāĻŖ āĻ•āĻ°āĻž āĻ¯ā§‡āĻ¤ā§‡ āĻĒāĻžāĻ°ā§‡āĨ¤ āĻāĻ–āĻžāĻ¨ā§‡ āĻāĻ‡ āĻĒā§āĻ¯āĻžāĻŸāĻžāĻ°ā§āĻ¨ā§‡āĻ° āĻĒāĻŋāĻ›āĻ¨ā§‡ āĻ¸āĻŽā§āĻ­āĻžāĻŦā§āĻ¯ āĻ•āĻžāĻ°āĻŖāĻ—ā§āĻ˛āĻŋāĻ° āĻāĻ•āĻŸāĻŋ āĻŦāĻŋāĻļāĻĻ āĻšā§‡āĻšāĻžāĻ°āĻž āĻ°āĻ¯āĻŧā§‡āĻ›ā§‡:

ā§§. āĻĒā§āĻ°āĻžāĻ¤āĻƒāĻ°āĻžāĻļā§‡āĻ° āĻ˛ā§‹ āĻŦā§āĻ˛āĻžāĻĄ āĻ¸ā§āĻ—āĻžāĻ°:

- āĻ˛ā§āĻ¯āĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻŸāĻžāĻ¸ (āĻĻā§€āĻ°ā§āĻ˜-āĻ…āĻ­āĻŋāĻ¨āĻ¯āĻŧ āĻ‡āĻ¨āĻ¸ā§āĻ˛āĻŋāĻ¨) āĻ°āĻžāĻ¤ā§āĻ°āĻŋ 10:40 āĻŸāĻžāĻ¯āĻŧ āĻĒāĻ°āĻŋāĻšāĻžāĻ˛āĻŋāĻ¤ āĻšāĻ¯āĻŧ, āĻ¯āĻž āĻ°āĻžāĻ¤ā§‡āĻ° āĻŽāĻ§ā§āĻ¯ā§‡ āĻ¸āĻ°ā§āĻŦā§‹āĻšā§āĻš āĻĒāĻ°ā§āĻ¯āĻžāĻ¯āĻŧā§‡ āĻĒā§ŒāĻāĻ›āĻžāĻ¯āĻŧ, āĻ¸āĻŽā§āĻ­āĻžāĻŦā§āĻ¯āĻ­āĻžāĻŦā§‡ āĻ¸āĻ•āĻžāĻ˛ā§‡ (āĻĒā§āĻ°āĻžāĻ•-āĻ–āĻžāĻ“āĻ¯āĻŧāĻž) āĻ•āĻŽ āĻ°āĻ•ā§āĻ¤ā§‡ āĻļāĻ°ā§āĻ•āĻ°āĻžāĻ° āĻ•ā§āĻˇā§‡āĻ¤ā§āĻ°ā§‡ āĻ…āĻŦāĻĻāĻžāĻ¨ āĻ°āĻžāĻ–ā§‡āĨ¤

- āĻ‰āĻĒāĻŦāĻžāĻ¸ā§‡āĻ° āĻ°āĻ•ā§āĻ¤ā§‡ āĻļāĻ°ā§āĻ•āĻ°āĻžāĻ° āĻĒāĻ°āĻŋāĻŽāĻžāĻŖ āĻŦā§‡āĻļ āĻ•āĻ¯āĻŧā§‡āĻ•āĻĻāĻŋāĻ¨ā§‡ āĻ•āĻŽ āĻĨāĻžāĻ•ā§‡ (āĻ¯ā§‡āĻŽāĻ¨, 11/09 āĻ¤āĻžāĻ°āĻŋāĻ–ā§‡ 72, 12/09 āĻ¤āĻžāĻ°āĻŋāĻ–ā§‡ 53)āĨ¤ āĻāĻŸāĻŋ āĻĒāĻ°āĻžāĻŽāĻ°ā§āĻļ āĻĻā§‡āĻ¯āĻŧ āĻ¯ā§‡ āĻ˛ā§āĻ¯āĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻŸāĻžāĻ¸ (4 āĻ‡āĻ‰āĻ¨āĻŋāĻŸ) āĻāĻ° āĻ°āĻžāĻ¤ā§‡āĻ° āĻĄā§‹āĻœ āĻ•āĻŋāĻ›ā§āĻŸāĻž āĻŦā§‡āĻļāĻŋ āĻšāĻ¤ā§‡ āĻĒāĻžāĻ°ā§‡, āĻ¯ā§‡āĻŽāĻ¨āĻŸāĻŋ āĻ˛ā§āĻ¯āĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻŸāĻžāĻ¸āĻ•ā§‡ 3 āĻ‡āĻ‰āĻ¨āĻŋāĻŸā§‡ āĻ•āĻŽāĻžāĻ¨ā§‹āĻ° āĻœāĻ¨ā§āĻ¯ PaJR PHR āĻŽāĻĄāĻžāĻ°ā§‡āĻŸāĻ°ā§‡āĻ° āĻ¸ā§āĻĒāĻžāĻ°āĻŋāĻļ āĻĻā§āĻŦāĻžāĻ°āĻž āĻ¨āĻŋāĻ°ā§āĻĻā§‡āĻļāĻŋāĻ¤ āĻšāĻ¯āĻŧā§‡āĻ›ā§‡āĨ¤

- āĻ°āĻžāĻ¤āĻžāĻ°āĻžāĻ¤āĻŋ āĻšāĻžāĻ‡āĻĒā§‹āĻ—ā§āĻ˛āĻžāĻ‡āĻ¸ā§‡āĻŽāĻŋāĻ¯āĻŧāĻž (āĻ˛āĻ•ā§āĻˇāĻŖā§‡āĻ° āĻ…āĻ­āĻžāĻŦā§‡āĻ° āĻ•āĻžāĻ°āĻŖā§‡ āĻ…āĻ˛āĻ•ā§āĻˇāĻŋāĻ¤) āĻ˜āĻŸāĻ¤ā§‡ āĻĒāĻžāĻ°ā§‡, āĻ¯āĻžāĻ° āĻĢāĻ˛ā§‡ āĻ¸āĻ•āĻžāĻ˛ā§‡āĻ° āĻ‰āĻĒāĻŦāĻžāĻ¸ā§‡āĻ° āĻŽāĻžāĻ¤ā§āĻ°āĻž āĻ•āĻŽ āĻšāĻ¯āĻŧāĨ¤

- āĻĒā§āĻ°āĻžāĻ•-āĻ¨āĻžāĻ¸ā§āĻ¤āĻžāĻ° āĻ•āĻŽ āĻŽāĻžāĻ¤ā§āĻ°āĻž āĻĻā§€āĻ°ā§āĻ˜āĻžāĻ¯āĻŧāĻŋāĻ¤ 

āĻ‰āĻĒāĻŦāĻžāĻ¸ā§‡āĻ° āĻ•āĻžāĻ°āĻŖā§‡āĻ“ āĻšāĻ¤ā§‡ āĻĒāĻžāĻ°ā§‡ 

(āĻ…āĻ°ā§āĻĨāĻžā§Ž, āĻ°āĻžāĻ¤ā§‡āĻ° āĻ–āĻžāĻŦāĻžāĻ° āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ 

āĻĒā§āĻ°āĻžāĻ¤āĻƒāĻ°āĻžāĻļā§‡āĻ° āĻŽāĻ§ā§āĻ¯ā§‡ āĻ¸āĻŽāĻ¯āĻŧā§‡āĻ° āĻŦā§āĻ¯āĻŦāĻ§āĻžāĻ¨)

2. āĻ¸āĻ•āĻžāĻ˛ā§‡āĻ° āĻ¨āĻžāĻ¸ā§āĻ¤āĻžāĻ° āĻĒāĻ°ā§‡ āĻ‰āĻšā§āĻš āĻ°āĻ•ā§āĻ¤ā§‡ āĻļāĻ°ā§āĻ•āĻ°āĻž:*

- āĻĒā§āĻ°āĻžāĻ¤āĻƒāĻ°āĻžāĻļā§‡ āĻĻā§‡āĻ“āĻ¯āĻŧāĻž āĻ˛āĻŋāĻ¸āĻĒā§āĻ°ā§‹ āĻĄā§‹āĻœ (2 āĻ‡āĻ‰āĻ¨āĻŋāĻŸ) āĻĒā§āĻ°āĻžāĻ¤āĻƒāĻ°āĻžāĻļā§‡āĻ° āĻ–āĻžāĻŦāĻžāĻ°ā§‡ āĻ•āĻžāĻ°ā§āĻŦā§‹āĻšāĻžāĻ‡āĻĄā§āĻ°ā§‡āĻŸ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻĒā§āĻ°ā§‹āĻŸāĻŋāĻ¨ āĻĒāĻ°āĻŋāĻšāĻžāĻ˛āĻ¨āĻž āĻ•āĻ°āĻžāĻ° āĻœāĻ¨ā§āĻ¯ āĻ…āĻĒāĻ°ā§āĻ¯āĻžāĻĒā§āĻ¤ āĻŦāĻ˛ā§‡ āĻŽāĻ¨ā§‡ āĻšāĻ¯āĻŧāĨ¤

- āĻ…āĻ¨ā§‡āĻ• āĻĻāĻŋāĻ¨, āĻ¸āĻ•āĻžāĻ˛ā§‡āĻ° āĻ¨āĻžāĻ¸ā§āĻ¤āĻžāĻ° āĻĒāĻ° āĻļāĻ°ā§āĻ•āĻ°āĻžāĻ° āĻĒāĻ°āĻŋāĻŽāĻžāĻŖ āĻŦā§‡āĻĄāĻŧā§‡ āĻ¯āĻžāĻ¯āĻŧ (āĻ¯ā§‡āĻŽāĻ¨, 03/09 āĻ¤āĻžāĻ°āĻŋāĻ–ā§‡ 267, 13/09 āĻ¤āĻžāĻ°āĻŋāĻ–ā§‡ 282), āĻ‡āĻ™ā§āĻ—āĻŋāĻ¤ āĻ•āĻ°ā§‡ āĻ¯ā§‡ āĻ¸āĻ•āĻžāĻ˛ā§‡āĻ° āĻ¨āĻžāĻ¸ā§āĻ¤āĻžāĻ¯āĻŧ āĻ‡āĻ¨āĻ¸ā§āĻ˛āĻŋāĻ¨-āĻĨā§‡āĻ•ā§‡-āĻ•āĻžāĻ°ā§āĻŦā§‹āĻšāĻžāĻ‡āĻĄā§āĻ°ā§‡āĻŸ āĻ…āĻ¨ā§āĻĒāĻžāĻ¤ āĻ…āĻĒāĻ°ā§āĻ¯āĻžāĻĒā§āĻ¤āĨ¤

- "āĻ­ā§‹āĻ°ā§‡āĻ° āĻ˜āĻŸāĻ¨āĻž" āĻŦāĻž "āĻĒā§āĻ°āĻĨāĻŽ āĻ–āĻžāĻŦāĻžāĻ°ā§‡āĻ° āĻĒā§āĻ°āĻ­āĻžāĻŦ" āĻāĻ° āĻ˜āĻŸāĻ¨āĻžāĻŸāĻŋāĻ“ āĻ–ā§‡āĻ˛āĻ¤ā§‡ āĻĒāĻžāĻ°ā§‡, āĻ¯ā§‡āĻ–āĻžāĻ¨ā§‡ āĻ‡āĻ¨āĻ¸ā§āĻ˛āĻŋāĻ¨ āĻĒā§āĻ°āĻ¤āĻŋāĻ°ā§‹āĻ§ āĻ¸āĻžāĻ§āĻžāĻ°āĻŖāĻ¤ āĻ¸āĻ•āĻžāĻ˛ā§‡ āĻŦā§‡āĻļāĻŋ āĻšāĻ¯āĻŧ, āĻĒā§āĻ°āĻžāĻ¤āĻƒāĻ°āĻžāĻļā§‡āĻ° āĻ¸āĻŽāĻ¯āĻŧ āĻ†āĻ°āĻ“ āĻ‡āĻ¨āĻ¸ā§āĻ˛āĻŋāĻ¨ā§‡āĻ° āĻĒā§āĻ°āĻ¯āĻŧā§‹āĻœāĻ¨ āĻšāĻ¯āĻŧāĨ¤

- āĻ–āĻžāĻŦāĻžāĻ°ā§‡āĻ° āĻ¸āĻ‚āĻŽāĻŋāĻļā§āĻ°āĻŖā§‡ (āĻ¯ā§‡āĻŽāĻ¨, āĻĒāĻžāĻĢ āĻ•āĻ°āĻž āĻ­āĻžāĻ¤, āĻŦāĻžāĻĻāĻžāĻŽ, āĻ–ā§‡āĻœā§āĻ°) āĻ¸āĻŽā§āĻ­āĻŦāĻ¤ āĻ‰āĻšā§āĻš āĻ—ā§āĻ˛āĻžāĻ‡āĻ¸ā§‡āĻŽāĻŋāĻ• āĻ‡āĻ¨āĻĄā§‡āĻ•ā§āĻ¸ (GI) āĻ•āĻžāĻ°ā§āĻŦā§‹āĻšāĻžāĻ‡āĻĄā§āĻ°ā§‡āĻŸ āĻ°āĻ¯āĻŧā§‡āĻ›ā§‡ āĻ¯āĻž āĻ°āĻ•ā§āĻ¤ā§‡ āĻļāĻ°ā§āĻ•āĻ°āĻžāĻ° āĻĻā§āĻ°ā§āĻ¤ āĻŦā§ƒāĻĻā§āĻ§āĻŋ āĻ˜āĻŸāĻžāĻ¯āĻŧ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻāĻŸāĻŋ āĻĒāĻ°āĻŋāĻšāĻžāĻ˛āĻ¨āĻž āĻ•āĻ°āĻžāĻ° āĻœāĻ¨ā§āĻ¯ āĻ˛āĻŋāĻ¸āĻĒā§āĻ°ā§‹āĻ° 2 āĻ‡āĻ‰āĻ¨āĻŋāĻŸ āĻ¯āĻĨā§‡āĻˇā§āĻŸ āĻ¨āĻžāĻ“ āĻšāĻ¤ā§‡ āĻĒāĻžāĻ°ā§‡āĨ¤

3. āĻ•āĻŽ āĻ°āĻžāĻ¤ā§‡āĻ° āĻ°āĻ•ā§āĻ¤ā§‡ āĻļāĻ°ā§āĻ•āĻ°āĻž:*

- āĻ°āĻžāĻ¤ā§‡āĻ° āĻ–āĻžāĻŦāĻžāĻ°ā§‡āĻ° āĻĒāĻ°ā§‡, āĻ˜ā§āĻŽāĻžāĻ¨ā§‹āĻ° āĻ†āĻ—ā§‡ āĻļāĻ°ā§āĻ•āĻ°āĻžāĻ° āĻŽāĻžāĻ¤ā§āĻ°āĻž (āĻ¯ā§‡āĻŽāĻ¨, 13/09 āĻ¤āĻžāĻ°āĻŋāĻ–ā§‡ 57) āĻŦā§‡āĻļ āĻ•āĻŽ, āĻ¯āĻž āĻĒāĻ°āĻžāĻŽāĻ°ā§āĻļ āĻĻā§‡āĻ¯āĻŧ āĻ¯ā§‡ āĻ°āĻžāĻ¤ā§‡āĻ° āĻ–āĻžāĻŦāĻžāĻ°ā§‡ āĻ–āĻžāĻ“āĻ¯āĻŧāĻž āĻ•āĻžāĻ°ā§āĻŦā§‹āĻšāĻžāĻ‡āĻĄā§āĻ°ā§‡āĻŸā§‡āĻ° āĻĒāĻ°āĻŋāĻŽāĻžāĻŖā§‡āĻ° āĻ¤ā§āĻ˛āĻ¨āĻžāĻ¯āĻŧ āĻĄāĻŋāĻ¨āĻžāĻ° āĻ˛āĻŋāĻ¸āĻĒā§āĻ°ā§‹ āĻĄā§‹āĻœ (2 āĻ‡āĻ‰āĻ¨āĻŋāĻŸ) āĻ–ā§āĻŦ āĻŦā§‡āĻļāĻŋ āĻšāĻ¤ā§‡ āĻĒāĻžāĻ°ā§‡āĨ¤

- āĻ°āĻžāĻ¤ā§‡ āĻ‡āĻ¨āĻ¸ā§āĻ˛āĻŋāĻ¨ā§‡āĻ° āĻ¸āĻ‚āĻŦā§‡āĻĻāĻ¨āĻļā§€āĻ˛āĻ¤āĻž āĻŦā§ƒāĻĻā§āĻ§āĻŋ āĻĒāĻžāĻ¯āĻŧ, āĻ¯āĻžāĻ° āĻ…āĻ°ā§āĻĨ āĻ‡āĻ¨āĻ¸ā§āĻ˛āĻŋāĻ¨ā§‡āĻ° āĻāĻ•āĻ‡ āĻĄā§‹āĻœ āĻ†āĻ°āĻ“ āĻļāĻ•ā§āĻ¤āĻŋāĻļāĻžāĻ˛ā§€ āĻĒā§āĻ°āĻ­āĻžāĻŦ āĻĢā§‡āĻ˛āĻ¤ā§‡ āĻĒāĻžāĻ°ā§‡, āĻ¯āĻžāĻ° āĻĢāĻ˛ā§‡ āĻļā§‹āĻŦāĻžāĻ° āĻ†āĻ—ā§‡ āĻŦāĻž āĻ°āĻžāĻ¤āĻžāĻ°āĻžāĻ¤āĻŋ āĻšāĻžāĻ‡āĻĒā§‹āĻ—ā§āĻ˛āĻžāĻ‡āĻ¸ā§‡āĻŽāĻŋāĻ¯āĻŧāĻž āĻ°āĻ•ā§āĻ¤ā§‡ āĻļāĻ°ā§āĻ•āĻ°āĻžāĻ° āĻĒāĻ°āĻŋāĻŽāĻžāĻŖ āĻ•āĻŽ āĻšāĻ¤ā§‡ āĻĒāĻžāĻ°ā§‡āĨ¤

- āĻ°āĻžāĻ¤ā§‡ āĻĻā§€āĻ°ā§āĻ˜-āĻ…āĻ­āĻŋāĻ¨āĻ¯āĻŧāĻ•āĻžāĻ°ā§€ āĻ˛ā§āĻ¯āĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻŸāĻžāĻ¸ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻ¸ā§āĻŦāĻ˛ā§āĻĒ-āĻ…āĻ­āĻŋāĻ¨āĻ¯āĻŧ āĻ˛āĻŋāĻ¸āĻĒā§āĻ°ā§‹āĻ° āĻ¸āĻ‚āĻŽāĻŋāĻļā§āĻ°āĻŖ āĻ°āĻžāĻ¤ā§‡āĻ° āĻŦā§‡āĻ˛āĻž āĻ°āĻ•ā§āĻ¤ā§‡ āĻļāĻ°ā§āĻ•āĻ°āĻžāĻ° āĻ…āĻ¤ā§āĻ¯āĻ§āĻŋāĻ• āĻšā§āĻ°āĻžāĻ¸ āĻ˜āĻŸāĻžāĻ¤ā§‡ āĻĒāĻžāĻ°ā§‡, āĻŦāĻŋāĻļā§‡āĻˇ āĻ•āĻ°ā§‡ āĻ¯āĻĻāĻŋ āĻ¸āĻ¨ā§āĻ§ā§āĻ¯āĻžāĻ° āĻ–āĻžāĻŦāĻžāĻ°ā§‡ āĻ•āĻŽ āĻ•āĻžāĻ°ā§āĻŦā§‹āĻšāĻžāĻ‡āĻĄā§āĻ°ā§‡āĻŸ āĻĨāĻžāĻ•ā§‡ āĻŦāĻž āĻ¯āĻĻāĻŋ āĻ•āĻŽ āĻ•āĻžāĻ°ā§āĻ¯āĻ•āĻ˛āĻžāĻĒ āĻĨāĻžāĻ•ā§‡āĨ¤

āĻŽā§‚āĻ˛ āĻŦāĻŋāĻļā§āĻ˛ā§‡āĻˇāĻŖā§‡āĻ° āĻŦāĻŋāĻˇāĻ¯āĻŧ:

ā§§. āĻĒā§āĻ°āĻžāĻ¤āĻƒāĻ°āĻžāĻļā§‡āĻ° āĻ˛āĻŋāĻ¸āĻĒā§āĻ°ā§‹ āĻĄā§‹āĻœ āĻ…āĻĒāĻ°ā§āĻ¯āĻžāĻĒā§āĻ¤:

- āĻĒā§āĻ°āĻžāĻ¤āĻƒāĻ°āĻžāĻļā§‡āĻ° āĻĒāĻ°ā§‡ āĻ°āĻ•ā§āĻ¤ā§‡ āĻļāĻ°ā§āĻ•āĻ°āĻž āĻĒā§āĻ°āĻžāĻ•-āĻ¨āĻžāĻ¸ā§āĻ¤āĻžāĻ° āĻŽāĻžāĻ¤ā§āĻ°āĻžāĻ° āĻ¤ā§āĻ˛āĻ¨āĻžāĻ¯āĻŧ āĻ‰āĻ˛ā§āĻ˛ā§‡āĻ–āĻ¯ā§‹āĻ—ā§āĻ¯āĻ­āĻžāĻŦā§‡ āĻŦā§‡āĻļāĻŋāĨ¤ āĻĒā§āĻ°āĻžāĻ¤āĻƒāĻ°āĻžāĻļā§‡āĻ° āĻ¸āĻŽāĻ¯āĻŧ āĻĻā§‡āĻ“āĻ¯āĻŧāĻž 2-āĻ‡āĻ‰āĻ¨āĻŋāĻŸ āĻ˛āĻŋāĻ¸āĻĒā§āĻ°ā§‹ āĻĒā§āĻ°āĻžāĻ¤āĻƒāĻ°āĻžāĻļā§‡āĻ° āĻ•āĻžāĻ°ā§āĻŦā§‹āĻšāĻžāĻ‡āĻĄā§āĻ°ā§‡āĻŸ/āĻĒā§āĻ°ā§‹āĻŸāĻŋāĻ¨ā§‡āĻ° āĻĒāĻ°āĻŋāĻŽāĻžāĻŖāĻ•ā§‡ āĻ•āĻ­āĻžāĻ° āĻ•āĻ°ā§‡ āĻ¨āĻž āĻŦāĻž "āĻ­ā§‹āĻ°ā§‡āĻ° āĻ˜āĻŸāĻ¨āĻž" āĻ¨āĻŋāĻ¯āĻŧā§‡ āĻ•āĻžāĻœ āĻ•āĻ°āĻ¤ā§‡ āĻĒāĻžāĻ°ā§‡ āĻ¨āĻžāĨ¤

- āĻĒā§āĻ°āĻžāĻ¤āĻƒāĻ°āĻžāĻļā§‡āĻ° āĻ¸āĻŽāĻ¯āĻŧ Lispro āĻĄā§‹āĻœ āĻŦāĻžāĻĄāĻŧāĻžāĻ¨ā§‹ (āĻ¯ā§‡āĻŽāĻ¨, 2 āĻ‡āĻ‰āĻ¨āĻŋāĻŸ āĻĨā§‡āĻ•ā§‡ 3 āĻ‡āĻ‰āĻ¨āĻŋāĻŸ) āĻāĻ‡ āĻ¸ā§āĻĒāĻžāĻ‡āĻ•āĻ—ā§āĻ˛āĻŋāĻ•ā§‡ āĻ†āĻ°āĻ“ āĻ­āĻžāĻ˛āĻ­āĻžāĻŦā§‡ āĻĒāĻ°āĻŋāĻšāĻžāĻ˛āĻ¨āĻž āĻ•āĻ°āĻ¤ā§‡ āĻ¸āĻšāĻžāĻ¯āĻŧāĻ¤āĻž āĻ•āĻ°āĻ¤ā§‡ āĻĒāĻžāĻ°ā§‡āĨ¤

ā§¨āĨ¤ āĻ˛ā§āĻ¯āĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻŸāĻžāĻ¸ āĻĄā§‹āĻœ āĻ°āĻžāĻ¤ā§‡ āĻ–ā§āĻŦ āĻŦā§‡āĻļāĻŋ:

- āĻĒā§āĻ°āĻžāĻ¤āĻƒāĻ°āĻžāĻļā§‡āĻ° āĻ•āĻŽ āĻ°āĻ•ā§āĻ¤ā§‡ āĻļāĻ°ā§āĻ•āĻ°āĻž āĻĒāĻ°āĻžāĻŽāĻ°ā§āĻļ āĻĻā§‡āĻ¯āĻŧ āĻ¯ā§‡ āĻ˛ā§āĻ¯āĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻŸāĻžāĻ¸ āĻĄā§‹āĻœ āĻ°āĻžāĻ¤ā§‡ āĻ•āĻŽāĻžāĻ¤ā§‡ āĻšāĻŦā§‡āĨ¤ āĻāĻŸāĻŋ 4 āĻ‡āĻ‰āĻ¨āĻŋāĻŸ āĻĨā§‡āĻ•ā§‡ 3 āĻ‡āĻ‰āĻ¨āĻŋāĻŸā§‡ āĻ•āĻŽāĻŋāĻ¯āĻŧā§‡ āĻ°āĻžāĻ¤ā§‡āĻ° āĻšāĻžāĻ‡āĻĒā§‹āĻ—ā§āĻ˛āĻžāĻ‡āĻ¸ā§‡āĻŽāĻŋāĻ¯āĻŧāĻž āĻĒā§āĻ°āĻ¤āĻŋāĻ°ā§‹āĻ§ āĻ•āĻ°āĻ¤ā§‡ āĻĒāĻžāĻ°ā§‡āĨ¤

- PaJR PHR āĻŽāĻĄāĻžāĻ°ā§‡āĻŸāĻ° āĻ°āĻžāĻ¤ā§‡āĻ° āĻ—ā§āĻ˛ā§āĻ•ā§‹āĻœ āĻŽāĻžāĻ¤ā§āĻ°āĻž āĻ…āĻĒā§āĻŸāĻŋāĻŽāĻžāĻ‡āĻœ āĻ•āĻ°āĻžāĻ° āĻœāĻ¨ā§āĻ¯ āĻāĻ‡ āĻ¸āĻŽāĻ¨ā§āĻŦāĻ¯āĻŧā§‡āĻ° āĻĒāĻ°āĻžāĻŽāĻ°ā§āĻļ āĻĻāĻŋāĻ¯āĻŧā§‡āĻ›ā§‡āĻ¨āĨ¤

ā§Š. āĻĄāĻŋāĻ¨āĻžāĻ° āĻ˛āĻŋāĻ¸āĻĒā§āĻ°ā§‹āĻ° āĻ¸āĻžāĻŽāĻžā§āĻœāĻ¸ā§āĻ¯ āĻĒā§āĻ°āĻ¯āĻŧā§‹āĻœāĻ¨:

- āĻ°āĻžāĻ¤ā§‡āĻ° āĻ–āĻžāĻŦāĻžāĻ°ā§‡ āĻ˛āĻŋāĻ¸āĻĒā§āĻ°ā§‹āĻ° 2 āĻ‡āĻ‰āĻ¨āĻŋāĻŸ āĻ–ā§āĻŦ āĻŦā§‡āĻļāĻŋ āĻšāĻ¤ā§‡ āĻĒāĻžāĻ°ā§‡, āĻŦāĻŋāĻļā§‡āĻˇ āĻ•āĻ°ā§‡ āĻ¯āĻĻāĻŋ āĻ¸āĻ¨ā§āĻ§ā§āĻ¯āĻžāĻ° āĻ–āĻžāĻŦāĻžāĻ°ā§‡ āĻ•āĻžāĻ°ā§āĻŦā§‹āĻšāĻžāĻ‡āĻĄā§āĻ°ā§‡āĻŸ āĻ•āĻŽ āĻĨāĻžāĻ•ā§‡āĨ¤ āĻāĻ‡ āĻĄā§‹āĻœāĻŸāĻŋ 1 āĻŦāĻž 1.5 āĻ‡āĻ‰āĻ¨āĻŋāĻŸā§‡ āĻ•āĻŽāĻŋāĻ¯āĻŧā§‡ āĻ°āĻžāĻ¤ā§‡āĻ° āĻ–āĻžāĻŦāĻžāĻ°ā§‡āĻ° āĻĒāĻ°ā§‡ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻ˜ā§āĻŽāĻžāĻ¨ā§‹āĻ° āĻ†āĻ—ā§‡ āĻšāĻŋāĻ¨āĻŋāĻ° āĻŽāĻžāĻ¤ā§āĻ°āĻž āĻ•āĻŽ āĻšāĻ“āĻ¯āĻŧāĻž āĻĒā§āĻ°āĻ¤āĻŋāĻ°ā§‹āĻ§ āĻ•āĻ°āĻ¤ā§‡ āĻĒāĻžāĻ°ā§‡āĨ¤

4. āĻĒāĻ°ā§āĻ¯āĻŦā§‡āĻ•ā§āĻˇāĻŖ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻ¸āĻŽāĻ¨ā§āĻŦāĻ¯āĻŧ:

- āĻ•ā§āĻ°āĻŽāĻžāĻ—āĻ¤ āĻ—ā§āĻ˛ā§āĻ•ā§‹āĻœ āĻŽāĻ¨āĻŋāĻŸāĻ°āĻŋāĻ‚ (CGM) āĻŦāĻž āĻ˜āĻ¨ āĻ˜āĻ¨ āĻ°āĻ•ā§āĻ¤ā§‡ āĻļāĻ°ā§āĻ•āĻ°āĻžāĻ° āĻĒāĻ°ā§€āĻ•ā§āĻˇāĻž āĻ¸āĻžāĻ°āĻž āĻĻāĻŋāĻ¨, āĻŦāĻŋāĻļā§‡āĻˇ āĻ•āĻ°ā§‡ āĻ°āĻžāĻ¤āĻžāĻ°āĻžāĻ¤āĻŋ āĻ“āĻ āĻžāĻ¨āĻžāĻŽāĻž āĻŸā§āĻ°ā§āĻ¯āĻžāĻ• āĻ•āĻ°āĻžāĻ° āĻœāĻ¨ā§āĻ¯ āĻĒā§āĻ°āĻ¯āĻŧā§‹āĻœāĻ¨ āĻšāĻ¤ā§‡ āĻĒāĻžāĻ°ā§‡āĨ¤

- āĻĻāĻŋāĻ¨ā§‡āĻ° āĻŦāĻŋāĻ­āĻŋāĻ¨ā§āĻ¨ āĻ¸āĻŽāĻ¯āĻŧā§‡āĻ° āĻœāĻ¨ā§āĻ¯ āĻ–āĻžāĻŦāĻžāĻ°ā§‡āĻ° āĻ¸āĻ‚āĻŽāĻŋāĻļā§āĻ°āĻŖ āĻāĻŦāĻ‚ āĻ‡āĻ¨āĻ¸ā§āĻ˛āĻŋāĻ¨ā§‡āĻ° āĻĄā§‹āĻœ āĻ‰āĻ­āĻ¯āĻŧāĻ‡ āĻ¸āĻžāĻŽāĻžā§āĻœāĻ¸ā§āĻ¯ āĻ•āĻ°āĻž āĻāĻ‡ āĻ‰āĻšā§āĻš-āĻ¨āĻŋāĻŽā§āĻ¨ āĻĻā§‹āĻ˛ āĻ°ā§‹āĻ§ āĻ•āĻ°āĻžāĻ° āĻŽā§‚āĻ˛ āĻšāĻžāĻŦāĻŋāĻ•āĻžāĻ āĻŋāĨ¤

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Narmeen Shah: Sir

1. I first copy pasted the complete data of the case report from sept 1 - sept 13.

2. Excel data that I created to calculate the pre- post- mean blood sugar values for the graph.

3. Wrote my two assumptions and ask to verify the stated assumptions.

- Post and Pre meal times don't mean that nothing is fed between these intervals.

- Insulin has been given either after the meal or before the meal so the sugar levels are not independent of interventions.

4. Chatgpt broke down the assumptions and reponded about it in four points.

5. After that I gave the query/prompt:

  • - Why it is happening that sugar levels are that much low in pre breakfast and high in post breakfast and low at night. Check the above daily routine again from sep 1 - sept 13 and analyze the keen aspect.


PaJR PHR Moderator: Thanks!
Update all to the case report too

Narmeen Shah: Ok sir. Thank you 🙏🙏

Patient Advocate: 9.45pm blood sugar 160
9.45pm 2u lispro insulin 
9.55pm dinner with as same as lunch dish 
10.40pm 4u lantus insulin 
12.00night blood suger 273

17/09/24
7.30am  nuts and dates 
7.45am milk and puffed rice 
9.45am 2u lispro insulin 
9.55am rice with pointed gourd, chayote, papaya, long beans, bitter gourd, ribbed gourd, egg and salad 
12.00noon mosambi 
1.45pm blood sugar 266
5.30pm sour curd

PaJR PHR Moderator: Feedback to this from our pediatric endocrinologist:

ChatGPT’s medical algorithms are not perfect. 
Would not recommend using it for medical decision making. 
I would recommend reducing the lispro at dinner first. Reducing Lantus will mean the blood glucose during the day - lunch/pre-dinner blood glucose levels will become higher. 
You can ask the person to give the Lantus earlier - 10:40 is way, way too late. Why not earlier - at 7 or 8 pm. 
The post-dinner blood glucose levels are low - in a 3-year old, we typically run it around 120-150.

PaJR PHR Moderator: 👆@Patient Advocate lantus ta aekhon 7-8PM er modhye diye nile bhalo hoi

Patient Advocate: Sir āĻ†āĻŽāĻžāĻ° āĻāĻ•āĻŸāĻž āĻ•āĻĨāĻž āĻŦāĻ˛āĻžāĻ° āĻ›āĻŋāĻ˛, āĻ†āĻŽāĻŋ āĻœāĻžāĻ¨āĻŋāĻ¨āĻž āĻ¤āĻžāĻ‡ āĻāĻ•āĻŸāĻž āĻ•āĻĨāĻž āĻœāĻžāĻ¨āĻžāĻ° āĻœāĻ¨ā§āĻ¯ āĻĒā§āĻ°āĻļā§āĻ¨ āĻ•āĻ°āĻ›āĻŋ l 
āĻĄāĻŋāĻ¨āĻžāĻ° āĻāĻ° āĻ†āĻ—ā§‡ lispro āĻĢāĻžāĻ¸ā§āĻŸ āĻāĻ•āĻļāĻ¨ āĻ‡āĻ¨āĻ¸ā§āĻ˛āĻŋāĻ¨ āĻĻā§‡āĻ“āĻ¯āĻŧāĻž āĻšāĻ¯āĻŧ l āĻ†āĻŦāĻžāĻ°  āĻļā§āĻ¨ā§‡āĻ›āĻŋ ( āĻ•āĻŋāĻ¨ā§āĻ¤ā§ āĻ†āĻŽāĻŋ āĻ¸āĻ āĻŋāĻ• āĻœāĻžāĻ¨āĻŋ āĻ¨āĻž ) Lantus āĻĻā§‡āĻ“āĻ¯āĻŧāĻžāĻ° 6 āĻ˜āĻŖā§āĻŸāĻž āĻĒāĻ° āĻĨā§‡āĻ•ā§‡ āĻ•āĻžāĻœ āĻ•āĻ°ā§‡ āĻ¤ā§‹ āĻ¸ā§‡ āĻ•ā§āĻˇā§‡āĻ¤ā§āĻ°ā§‡ āĻļā§‡āĻˇ āĻ°āĻžāĻ¤ā§‡ āĻŽā§‹āĻŸāĻžāĻŽā§āĻŸāĻŋ 2am āĻāĻ° āĻĒāĻ° suger level ta āĻāĻ•āĻŸā§ āĻŦā§‡āĻļāĻŋ āĻ•āĻŽāĻžāĻ° āĻšāĻžāĻ¨ā§āĻ¸ āĻĨāĻžāĻ•āĻŦā§‡ āĻ¨āĻž āĻ•āĻŋ ?

PaJR PHR Moderator: Lispro'r action majhraat obdhi thakar kotha noi. Khawar du ghonta baade shesh hoye jawar kotha

Patient Advocate: Lispro āĻ¯āĻĻāĻŋ āĻ°āĻžāĻ¤ā§‡āĻ° āĻ–āĻžāĻŦāĻžāĻ° āĻāĻ° āĻ¸ā§āĻ—āĻžāĻ° āĻŸāĻž āĻ¸āĻ āĻŋāĻ• āĻœāĻžāĻ¯āĻŧāĻ—āĻžāĻ¯āĻŧ āĻ¨āĻŋāĻ¯āĻŧā§‡ āĻ†āĻ¸ā§‡ āĻ†āĻŽāĻŋ āĻ¤āĻžāĻ°āĻĒāĻ° āĻļā§‡āĻˇ āĻ°āĻžāĻ¤ā§‡ Lantus āĻāĻ° action āĻāĻ° āĻŦā§āĻ¯āĻžāĻĒāĻžāĻ°ā§‡ āĻŦāĻ˛āĻ›āĻŋāĻ˛āĻžāĻŽāĨ¤ Sir l

PaJR PHR Moderator: Lantus kokhonoi hypoglycemia korar kotha noi karon ota just sugar take baseline a maintain korte sahajjo kore

Patient Advocate: āĻāĻ–āĻ¨ āĻŦā§āĻāĻ˛āĻžāĻŽ āĻ¸ā§āĻ¯āĻžāĻ°

PaJR PHR Moderator: Kintu jehetu lantus er slow action ta overall sugar take komiye aane tai overall hypoglycemic event a lantus er ekta direct obodan na thakleo indirect obodan thakte pare oi jonyei lantus er dose tao shei bhabe titrate kora dorkar tabe overall evening 7-8 PM nilei bhalo


Lispro - action starts by 30 minutes, peaks 1-2 hours, gone by 3 hours; Regular - action starts by 60 minutes, peaks 3-5 hours, gone by 8 hours - etc. Lantus - pretty flat with repeated use, especially if dose is >10 units. Hypos less with Lantus and degludec.


18/09/24

Patient Advocate: 1.45pm 3u lispro insulin 
1.55pm lunch with same previous dish except egg and include fish 
5.30pm sour curd 
7.00 pm banana 
9.45pm blood sugar 220
9.45pm 2u lispro insulin 
9.55pm dinner with as same as lunch dish 
10.40pm 4u lantus insulin

Thik achhe Sir

Participant 20: As advised by pediatric endocrinologist, please give the Lantus injection earlier and please consider changing meal times to earlier slots for better optimisation.

Patient Advocate: What should mealtime be ?

PaJR PHR Moderator: Early dinner at 9:00 PM

Participant 20: From my newbie learnings here - Detemir (Levemir brand) can be considered if Hypos are concerning.
Twice a day; lesser risk of Hypos and more agency for dose titration? @PaJR PHR Moderator

Patient Advocate: 18/09/24
7.30am nuts and dates 7.45am milk with palm 
9.45am 2u lispro insulin 
9.55am rice with papaya, chayote, bitter gourd, spiny gourd, ribbed gourd, long beans, egg and salad 
12.00noon blood suger 230
12.00noon mosambi 
1.45pm 3u lispro insulin 
1.55pm lunch with same previous dish except egg and include fish 
5.30pm sour curd 
7.00pm palm with milk
9.45pm blood sugar 228
9.45pm 2u lispro insulin 
9.55pm dinner with as same as lunch dish 
10.40pm 4u lantus insulin
Kal theke 7-8pm e lantus dibo


19/09/24

Patient Advocate:


PaJR PHR Moderator: Ingredients?

Patient Advocate: It is palm(tal) which was taken yesterday day in two times

19/09/24
7.30am nuts and dates 
7.45am  milk and puffed rice 
9.45am 2u lispro insulin 
9.55am rice with papaya, chayote, green banana, long beans, bitter gourd, spiny gourd, ribbed gourd, egg and salad 
12.00noon mosambi 
1.45pm blood sugar 360
1.45pm 3u lispro insulin 
1.55pm lunch with same previous dish except egg and include fish 
5.30pm sour curd

PaJR PHR Moderator: Pre Breakfast lispro needs to be increased to 3U

Patient Advocate: Ok Sir

7.00pm banana 
9.00pm 4u lantus insulin 
9.30pm 2u lispro insulin 
9.40pm dinner with as same as lunch dish


20/09/24

Patient Advocate: 20/09/24
7.30am blood suger 183
7.30am nuts and dates 
7.45am payesh( milk, kaun rice, dates and raisins)
9.30am 3u lispro insulin 
9.40am rice with chayote, green banana, long beans, bitter gourd, spiny gourd, ribbed gourd, egg and salad 
11.30am apple
1.30pm 3u lispro insulin 1.40pm lunch with same previous dish except egg and include fish 
5.30pm sour curd


21/09/24

Patient Advocate: 7.00pm banana 
7.45pm 5u lantus insulin 
9.30pm blood sugar 163
9.40pm dinner with as same as lunch dish

21/09/24
7.30am blood sugar 124
7.30am nuts and dates 
7.45am milk and puffed rice
9.30am 2u lispro insulin 
9.40am rice with papaya, chayote, green banana, long beans, sponge gourd, tomato, spiny guard, egg and salad 
11.30am apple 
1.30pm blood sugar 334
1.30pm 4u lispro insulin 
1.40pm lunch with same previous dish except egg

What is the reason of high sugar where lantus was given 5u in last night?

PaJR PHR Moderator: Why did we reduce the lispro today? That's the reason.
Lantus is a long acting drug that acts and builds up in the system very slowly over days and will cause an overall reduction of the basal blood sugar and not address anything specifically such as post meal sugars

Patient Advocate: There was 124 suger level in fasting

PaJR PHR Moderator: The action of lantus is best perceived in the fasting sugar values.
However in other patients with type 1 diabetes like 30F who's group you are also following and is fully archived here👇


you may have noticed how we could slowly bring her total insulin requirements down to 3-4 units of lantus only per day. 

It's possible that at some point even 3F's requirements could fall to that

👆So increasing lantus from 4 to 5U here reduced the fasting from 183 to 124


22/09/24

Patient Advocate: 5.30pm sour curd 
7.00am banana 
7.30pm 4u lantus insulin 
9.30pm 2u lispro insulin 
9.40pm dinner with as same as lunch dish
11.50pm blood sugar 163

22/09/24
7.30am blood sugar 133
7.45am  milk
9.30am 2u lispro insulin 
9.48am rice with papaya, chayote, bitter gourd, spiny gourd, sponge gourd, tomato, long beans and salad 
11.30am apple 
1.30pm blood sugar 173
1.30pm 2u lispro insulin 
1.40pm lunch with same previous dish and fish 
5.00pm sour curd
7.00pm oats 
8.00pm 4u lantus insulin 
9.30pm 2u lispro insulin 
9.40pm dinner with as same as lunch dish


23/09/24

Patient Advocate: 11.45pm blood sugar 138

23/09/24
7.30am nuts and dates 
7.45am milk and puffed rice 
9.30am 2u lispro insulin 
9.40am rice with spiny gourd, ribbed gourd, tomato, papaya, chayote, sponge gourd, long beans, egg and salad 
11.40am blood sugar 254
12.00noon mosambi 
1.30pm 3u lispro insulin
1.40pm lunch with same previous dish except egg 
5.30pm sour curd 
7.00pm oats 
8.00pm 5u lantus insulin 
9.30pm blood sugar 140
9.30pm 2u lispro insulin 
9.40pm dinner with as same as lunch dish


24/09/24

PaJR PHR Moderator: The post breakfast high is because of the lower dose of lispro before breakfast compared to those before lunch and dinner.
Always measure fasting blood sugars the day after you have increased lantus dose. Yesterday it was increased so today's fasting is important

Patient Advocate: 24/06/24
7.30am fasting blood suger 151
7.30am nuts and dates 
7.45am milk and puffed rice 
9.30am 3u lispro insulin 
9.40am rice with long beans, papaya, chayote, sponge gourd, tomato, spiny guard, pumpkin, egg and salad 
11.30am mosambi 
1.30pm blood sugar 100
1.40pm lunch with same previous dish except egg 
5.30pm sour curd 
7.00pm banana 
8.30pm 4u lantus insulin 
9.30pm 2u lispro insulin 
9.40pm dinner with as same as lunch dish and include egg


25/09/24

Patient Advocate: 11.45pm blood sugar 94

PaJR PHR Moderator: 👆This fasting was an effect of the lantus 5U day before yesterday

The 1:30PM pre lunch blood sugar yesterday is an effect of the morning lispro 3U as well as day before yesterday's lantus 5U basal effect and same basal effect of lantus 5U day before yesterday is partly reducing the 11:40PM post dinner other than the pre dinner lispro of 2U 

That is how the basal lantus unit has a synergistic symmetric effect on the overall basal sugar levels so while we increase lantus we can always decrease the short acting pre meal lispro.

In @⁨30F Diabetes1 10 years Madhya Pradesh PaJR⁊ 's patient we managed to stop the short acting insulin altogether and her patient is currently only on lantus insulin alone once daily

Patient Advocate: 7.30am fasting blood sugar 75
7.30am nuts 
7.40am milk, puffed rice and dates

PaJR PHR Moderator: My hypothesis for this fasting value is that this is the residual effect of your 5U of lantus day before yesterday and 4U of lantus yesterday.
Share her post breakfast blood sugar and remain vigilant for hypoglycemia

Patient Advocate: 9.30am 2u lispro insulin 
9.40am rice with papaya, chayote, pointed gourd, bitter gourd, tomato, spiny guard, long beans, egg and salad 
11.30am apple 
1.30pm blood sugar 174
1.30pm 2u lispro insulin 
1.40pm lunch with same previous dish except egg and include fish 
5.30pm sour curd 
7.00pm banana 
8.30pm 4u lantus insulin


26/09/24

Patient Advocate: 9.30pm 2u lispro insulin 
9.40pm dinner with as same as lunch dish

26/09/24
7.30am blood sugar 81
7.30am nuts 
7.40am milk, puffed rice and dates 
9.30am 2u lispro insulin 
9.40am rice with papaya, long beans, bitter gourd, pumpkin, chayote, pointed gourd, egg and salad 
11.30am apple 
1.30pm 2u lispro insulin 
1.40pm lunch with same previous dish except egg and include fish 
5.30pm sour curd 
7.00pm banana 
8.30pm 4u lantus 
9.30pm blood sugar 247
9.30pm 3u lispro insulin 
9.40pm dinner with as same as lunch dish


27/09/24

Patient Advocate: 11.45pm blood sugar 66
Plain suger 0.5 teaspoon 
No symptoms

PaJR PHR Moderator: She needed 2.5
How about trying the insulin syringe instead of pen to get 2.5 just like @⁨30F Diabetes1 10 years Madhya Pradesh PaJR⁊ 's patient is using?


28/09/24

Patient Advocate: 27/09/24
7.30am nuts 
7.45am milk, dates and puffed rice 
9..30am 2u lispro insulin 
9.40am rice with papaya, chayote, sponge gourd, tomato, spiny guard, pumpkin, pointed gourd, egg and salad 
11.45am mosambi 
1.30pm 2u lispro insulin 
1.40pm lunch with same previous dish except egg 
4.00pm blood suger 94
5.30pm sour curd 
7.00pm banana 
8.30pm 4u lantus insulin 
9.30pm 2u lispro insulin 
9.40pm dinner with as same as lunch with and include egg


29/09/24

Patient Advocate: 28/09/24
7.30am nuts 
7.40am milk, puffed rice and dates 
9.30am 2u lispro insulin 
9.40am rice with pointed gourd, chayote, bitter gourd, spiny gourd, long beans, egg and salad 
11.50am blood sugar 200
11.50am apple
1.30pm 2u lispro insulin 
1.40pm lunch with same previous dish except egg 
5.30pm sour curd 
7.00pm banana 
8.30pm 4u lantus insulin 
9.30pm blood sugar 220
9.40pm gf dinner with as same as lunch dish and papad

29/09/24
7.30am blood suger 127
7.38am nuts 
7.45am milk, puffed rice and dates 
9.30am rice with chayote, bitter gourd, spiny gourd, sponge gourd, long beans, egg and salad 
11.30am mosambi 
1.30am pm blood sugar 124
1.30pm 2u lispro insulin 
1.40pm lunch with same previous dish 
5.30pm sour curd 
7.00pm oats 
8.30am 4u lantus insulin 
9.30pm 2u lispro insulin 
9.40pm dinner with rice, pulses, mutton and salad


30/09/24

Patient Advocate: 11.45pm blood suger 156

PaJR PHR Moderator: How much lispro before breakfast yesterday?

Patient Advocate: Lispro before breakfast 2u

Patient Advocate: 30/09/24
7.30am blood suger 145
7.30am  payesh (milk, dates, rice, and nuts)
9.30am 2u lispro insulin 
9.40am rice and ribbed gourd, bitter gourd, long beans, egg and salad


01/10/24

Patient Advocate: 11.30am mosambi 
11.40am blood suger 156
1.30pm 2u lispro insulin 
1.40pm lunch with same previous dish except egg 
4.00pm blood sugar 181
5.30pm sour curd 
7.00pm oats
8.30pm 4u lantus insulin 
9.30pm 2u lispro insulin 
9.40pm dinner with as same as lunch dish


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