MARCH 2025 - 3 Years Old child, Type1 Diabetes, Insulin Hypoglycemia, Intermittent, Bloating 1 Month

PATIENT DATA LOG OF MARCH - 2025

 01/03/25

PaJR PHR Moderator: Nice summary of what has been discussed.
However data driven healthcare may demand that the LLM (do also mention the name of the LLM, has some free LLM version again started accepting URLs?) shares the date and time of the events that it currently points out in general


Narmeen Shah: Ok sir sure βœ…


Patient Advocate: 01.03.25

7.45am fasting blood sugar 116

7.45am nuts

8.00am milk

Patient Advocate: 9.30am 4u lispro insulin 

9.35am rice with pulses, carrot, broccoli, cauliflower, beetroot, brinjal, tomato, peas, chayote,  egg and salad 

12.30pm grapes 

1.30pm blood sugar 80

1.30pm 2.5u lispro insulin 

1.35pm lunch with same previous dish except egg and include papad


Narmeen Shah: Sir I just realized sharing the date time reference for the above summary is not possible as Google notebookLM doesn't keep the history of prompt and its response. I will share everything altogether from now on.

Sir uptil now I know it is Google NotebookLM which easily takes the URL to analyze in its free version.

One more AI application "Insight7" I tried today for data analysis. Here we can copy paste the entire case report without any word limit issue in free version. Below are the links of the analysis that is shared individually as the limitation of free version. It has also discussed the same points that has been discussed here but in a more proper, efficient and visually appealing way.

https://app.insight7.io/shared-resources/project/67c203ab2e9436e4265ef1f8/matrix







https://app.insight7.io/shared-resources/project/67c203ab2e9436e4265ef1f8/dashboards/0

 





https://app.insight7.io/shared-resources/project/67c203ab2e9436e4265ef1f8/sev-query/67c206912e9436e4265ef764






https://app.insight7.io/shared-resources/project/67c203ab2e9436e4265ef1f8/sev-query/67c2043fe1c86c14d1022194







https://app.insight7.io/shared-resources/project/67c203ab2e9436e4265ef1f8/sev-query/67c204282e9436e4265ef323










PaJR PHR Moderator: Great! These are in Bengali too!
Better also paste these in the patient's main case report before the link expires


Narmeen Shah: Ok sir noted βœ…


PaJR PHR Moderator: Loved it πŸ‘


Narmeen Shah: Thank youuu sir πŸ™πŸ™πŸ™πŸ™πŸ™πŸ™πŸ™πŸ™


Patient Advocate:

3.45pm blood sugar 170

6.30pm oats 

9.00pm 4u lantus insulin 

9.15pm blood suger 243

9.15pm 2u lispro insulin 

9.20pm dinner with as same as lunch dish


02/03/25

Patient Advocate: 2.03.25

7.45am fasting blood sugar 97

7.45am nuts 

8.00am milk

9.30am 4.5u lispro insulin 

9.35am rice with pulses brinjal tomato beans bitter gourd chayote carrot beetroot brocolli egg and salad 

12.00noon grapes 

1.30pm blood sugar 272

1.30pm 5u lispro insulin 

1.35pm lunch with same previous dish except egg and include fish 

6.30pm banana

9.00pm 4u lantus insulin 

9.15pm blood sugar 232

9.15pm 2u lispro insulin 

9.20pm dinner with as same as lunch dish


03/03/25

Patient Advocate: 03.03.25

7.45am fasting blood sugar 200

7.45am nuts 

8.00am milk

9.45am chocolate biscuit 2pcs 

10.45am 6u lispro insulin 

10.50am rice with pulses, brinjal, tomato, beans, kidney beans, brocolli, carrot, beatroot, pumpkin, chayote, bitter gourd, butter and salad


PaJR PHR Moderator: πŸ‘


04/03/25

Patient Advocate: 12.15pm grapes 

1.45pm blood sugar 151

1.45pm 3u lispro insulin 

1.50pm lunch with same previous dish except butter 

6=30pm banana 

9.00pm 4u lantus insulin 

9.15pm blood sugar 232

9.15pm 2u lispro insulin 

9.20pm dinner with as same as lunch dish


Patient Advocate: 04.03.25

7.45am fasting blood sugar 211

7.45am nuts 

8.00am milk 

9.45am chocolate biscuit 2pcs 

10.45am 6u lispro insulin 10.50am rice with pulses, carrot, broccoli, cauliflower, beetroot brinjal, pumpkin, tomato, peas chayote, egg and salad

12.15pm grapes 

1.45pm blood sugar 350

1.45pm 6u lispro insulin 

1.50pm lunch with same previous dish except egg and include fish


05/03/25

Patient Advocate: 6.30pm banana 

9.00pm 4u lantus insulin 

9.15pm blood sugar 113

9.15pm 0.5u lispro insulin 

9.20pm dinner with as same as lunch dish


Patient Advocate: 05.03.25

7.45am fasting blood sugar 103

7.45am nuts 

8.00am milk 

9.45am chocolate biscuit 2pcs 

10.45am 4.5u lispro insulin 

10.50am rice with pulses, carrot, broccoli, cauliflower, beetroot, brinjal, tomato, peas, chayote, pumpkin, egg and salad 

12.15pm grapes 

1.30pm blood sugar 265

1.30pm 5u lispro insulin 

1.35pm lunch with same previous dish except egg and include fish 

6.00om sour curd 

6.45pm banana 

8.00pm samosa ( remove potatoes)

9.00pm 4u lantus insulin 

9.20pm blood sugar 317

9.20pm 3u lispro insulin 

9.25pm dinner with as same as lunch dish


06/03/25

PaJR PHR Moderator: Removing potatoes from samosas may not make much difference


Patient Advocate: Yes Sir


Patient Advocate: 6.03.25

7.45am fasting blood sugar 72

7.45am milk

9.45am chocolate biscuit 2pcs 

10.45am 4u lispro insulin 

10.50am rice with pulses, carrot, broccoli, cauliflower, beetroot, brinjal, tomato, peas, chayote egg and salad.

12.15pm grapes 

1.40pm blood sugar 142

1.40pm 3.5u lispro.

1.45pm lunch with same previous dish except egg and include fish 

6.00pm sour curd 

6.30pm banana


07/03/25

Patient Advocate: 7.00pm small amount of Meggie 

9.00pm 4u lantus insulin 

9.15pm blood suger 308

9.15pm 2u lispro insulin 

9.20pm rice with pulses, brinjal beans tomato chayote, fish, papad, and salad


Patient Advocate: 07.03.25

7.45am fasting blood sugar 155

7.45am nuts 

8.00am milk 

9.45am chocolate biscuit 2pcs 

9

10.45am 5.5u lispro insulin 

10.50am rice with pulses, carrot, broccoli, cauliflower, beetroot, beans, chayote, peas, bitter gourd, egg and salad 

12.15pm grapes 

1.30pm blood sugar 190

1.35pm 4u lispro insulin 

1.35pn lunch with same previous dish 

6.00pm sour curd 

6.30pm 1/2 sandesh 

6.45pm banana 

9.00pm 4u  lantus insulin 

9.15pm blood sugar 305

9.15pm 2.5u lispro insulin 

9.20pm dinner with as same as lunch dish except egg and include fish and paneer


08/03/25

Patient Advocate: 8.03.25

7.45am fasting blood sugar 251

7.45am nuts 

8.00am milk 9.45am rice with pulses, carrot, cauliflower, cabbage, tomato, beatroot, beans, bitter gourd, chayote, egg and salad 

12.15pm grapes


09/03/25

Patient Advocate: 1.30pm blood suger 295

1.30pm 5u lispro insulinΰ₯€1.35pm lunch with same previous dish except egg 

6.00pm sour curd 6.30pm banana 

9.00pm 4u lantus insulin 

9.15pm blood sugar 185

9.15pm 1u lispro insulin 

9.20pm dinner with as same as lunch dish and papad


Patient Advocate: 9.03.25

7.45am fasting blood sugar 151

7.45am nuts 

8.00am milk


10/03/25

Patient Advocate: 9.30am 5u lispro insulin 

9.35am rice with pulses, carrot, broccoli, cauliflower, beetroot, brinjal, tomato, beans, bitter gourd, chayote, fish and salad 

12.00noon grapes 

1.30pm blood sugar 167

1.30pm 3.5u lispro insulin 

1.35pm lunch with same previous dish 

6.00pm sour curd 

6.30pm banana 

7.15pm Meggie small amount 

9.00pm 4u lantus insulin 

9.15pm blood sugar 413

9.15pm 4u lispro insulin 

9.20pm dinner with as same as lunch dish


PaJR PHR Moderator: The pre dinner sugars are quite erratic! While on Saturday 8/3/25 her pre dinner was 185 her Sunday 9/3/25 pre dinner was 413! Albeit her pre lunch lispro on Saturday was 5U while on Sunday was 3.5U and this difference was again influenced by her pre lunch sugars! I'm wondering if measuring pre meal insulin is good or 2 hours post meal is better @Participant 20 ?


Patient Advocate: 10.03.25

7.45am fasting blood sugar 307

7.45am nuts 

8.00am milk


Participant 20: Do you think that could be Maggie effect?


PaJR PHR Moderator: Yes difficult to say although yes it's one added factor to take into account


Patient Advocate: 9.45am chocolate biscuit 2pcs 

10.45am 7u lispro insulin 

10.50am rice with pulses, brinjal, tomato, beans, bitter gourd, chayote, carrot, beetroot, brocolli, egg and salad 

12.15pm grapes 

12.50Pm blood sugar 371

1.45pm 5.5u lispro insulin 

1.50pm lunch with same previous dish except egg and include paneer


11/03/25

Patient Advocate: 6.30pm banana 

9.00pm 4u lantus insulin 

9.15pm blood sugar 67

9.15pm dinner with as same as lunch dish and papad 

No lispro at night


Patient Advocate: 11.03.25

7=45 am fasting blood sugar 195

7.45am nuts 

8.00am milk 

9.45am chocolate biscuit 2pcs


PaJR PHR Moderator: πŸ‘


Patient Advocate: 10.45am 5.5u lispro insulin 

10.50am rice with pulses, carrot, broccoli, cauliflower, beetroot, brinjal, tomato, beans, egg and salad 

12.15pm grapes 

1.45pm blood sugar 204

1.45pm 4u lispro insulin 

1.50pm lunch with same previous dish except egg and include fish

6.15pm 55% dark chocolate 10grm

6.35pm banana 

9.00pm 4u lantus insulin 

9.15pm blood sugar 356

9.15pm 3.5u lispro insulin 

9.20pm dinner with as same as lunch dish


12/03/25

PaJR PHR Moderator: Could have taken lispro before taking the dark chocolate.

Lispro before any amount of calorie dense food would be necessary


Patient Advocate: Dark chocolate was not so much. One chocolate which was 35grm . She ate it in three day


Patient Advocate: 12.03.25

7.45am fasting blood sugar 147

7.45am nuts 

8.00am milk


PaJR PHR Moderator: @Meta AI How much calories in 10 gms of 55% dark chocolate and how much carb counted lispro insulin injection units can be taken for it?


Meta AI: To calculate the calories in 10g of 55% dark chocolate, we'll need to know the approximate calorie density of dark chocolate. According to the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA), 100g of dark chocolate (45-59% cocoa solids) contains approximately 575 calories.

For 10g of 55% dark chocolate, the calorie count would be:

(10g / 100g) * 575 calories β‰ˆ 57.5 calories

As for the carb count, 10g of dark chocolate typically contains around 6-7g of carbohydrates. To calculate the insulin units needed, we'll use the following assumptions:

- 1 unit of lispro insulin covers 15g of carbohydrates (this may vary depending on individual factors, so consult your healthcare provider for personalized guidance)

- You want to cover the entire carb content of the chocolate (6-7g)

Based on these assumptions, the insulin units needed would be:

6-7g carbohydrates / 15g carbohydrates per unit β‰ˆ 0.4-0.47 units of lispro insulin

Please note that this is an estimate and may vary depending on individual factors, such as your personal insulin sensitivity, diet, and exercise. Always consult your healthcare provider for personalized guidance on insulin dosing.


PaJR PHR Moderator: @Meta AI  How much calories in a banana and how much carb counted lispro insulin injection units can be taken for it?


Meta AI: According to the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA), a medium-sized banana (approximately 118g) contains:

- Calories: 105

- Carbohydrates: 27g

To calculate the insulin units needed, we'll use the same assumption as before:

- 1 unit of lispro insulin covers 15g of carbohydrates (this may vary depending on individual factors, so consult your healthcare provider for personalized guidance)

Based on this, the insulin units needed to cover the carb content of a medium-sized banana would be:

27g carbohydrates / 15g carbohydrates per unit β‰ˆ 1.8 units of lispro insulin

Please note that this is an estimate and may vary depending on individual factors, such as your personal insulin sensitivity, diet, and exercise. Always consult your healthcare provider for personalized guidance on insulin dosing.


PaJR PHR Moderator: @Participant 20 did she need 2U lispro to cover her choclate and banana at 6:00 PM?


Participant 20: Please tell us the brand name of the chocolate

Patient Advocate:



Participant 20: Thank you. Will look up nutritional label.


Participant 20: Did she have the whole bar in 3 days?
This whole bar is 150g

Patient Advocate: Above one was wrong.



Patient Advocate: It is 35grm
It has been eaten by three days

Participant 20: Right. More than Half of the chocolate is carbs. So it would be about 6g of sugars. And 1 banana, which is about 15g of sugar.

So in toto she received 21g of sugar.

For 11/3/2025.

She received a total of 13 units of insulin (both Lispro and Lantus)

On 10/3 - She received 16.5 units in toto

Therefore it is very hard to calculate how much 1 unit of Lispro would have corrected her blood sugar.

Maybe you did the right thing.

How are her bowel habits? Does she feel bloating and pass gas with certain foods?

Patient Advocate: Her bowel habits is once in a day
No gas problem right now

13/03/25

Participant 20: Okay that's good. Any particular foods which cause gas and bloating?


Patient Advocate: 9.45am chocolate biscuit 2pcs 

10.45am 5u lispro insulin 

10.50am rice with pulses, brinjal, tomato, beans, chayote, peas, bitter gourd, cauliflower, beetroot, carrot,egg and salad 

12.15pm apple 

1.45pm blood sugar  4u lispro insulin 

1.50pm lunch with same previous dish except egg and include fish 

6.30pm banana 

9.00pm 4u lantus insulin 

9.15pm blood sugar 244

9.15pm 2u lispro insulin 

9.30pm dinner with as same as lunch dish


Patient Advocate: 13.03.25

7.45am fasting blood sugar 168

7.45am nuts 

8.00am milk

 9.45am chocolate biscuit 2pcs 

10.45am 5.5u lispro insulin 

10.50am rice with pulses, carrot, cauliflower, beetroot, beans, chayote, peas, egg and salad 

12.55pm apple 

1.45pm blood sugar 247

1.50pm lunch with same previous dish except egg   include raw jackfruit

4.00pm blood sugar after lunch 118

6.30pm banana


14/03/25

Patient Advocate: 9.00pm 4u lantus insulin 

9.15pm blood sugar 143

9.15pm 0.5u lispro insulin 

9.20pm dinner with as same as lunch dish


Patient Advocate: 14.03.25

7.45am fasting blood sugar 212

7.45pm milk

9.45am 4.5u lispro insulin 

9.50am rice with pulses, carrot, broccoli, cauliflower, beetroot, beans, chayote, peas, bitter gourd, egg and salad 

12.00noon apple 

1.30pm blood sugar 95

1.30pm 2.5u lispro insulin 

1.35pm lunch with same previous dish except egg and include fish


PaJR PHR Moderator: πŸ‘


15/03/25

Patient Advocate: 6.30pm banana 

7.00pm 1/2 sandesh and  small amount of khichdi (prasad)

9.00pm 4u lantus insulin 

9.15pm blood sugar 491

9.15pm 5.5u lispro insulin 

9.20pm dinner with as same as lunch dish 

11.30pm blood sugar after dinner 156


Patient Advocate: 15.03.25

7.45am fasting blood sugar 68

7.45am milk


PaJR PHR Moderator: @Participant 20 i wonder if you have noticed this:

In this method of judging efficacy of insulin on blood glucose by checking pre meals alone and also using that to decide the next dose of insulin pre meal, one often tends to hike the dose of pre meal insulin based largely on the pre meal glucose rather than also factor in the actual meal requirements? What's your opinion on this @Meta AI ? Please substantiate your inputs with links to evidence based data


Meta AI: A very astute observation! You're right; relying solely on pre-meal blood glucose levels to adjust insulin doses can lead to overcorrection, particularly if meal requirements aren't taken into account.

Research suggests that this approach can result in:

1. Overinsulinization: Administering more insulin than needed, which can cause hypoglycemia (low blood sugar) (1).

2. Inadequate postprandial glucose control: Failing to account for the carbohydrate content of the meal can lead to post-meal hyperglycemia (high blood sugar) (2).

To address this issue, many experts recommend using a more comprehensive approach to insulin dosing, which considers multiple factors, including:

1. Carbohydrate counting: Accounting for the carbohydrate content of the meal to determine insulin doses (3).

2. Pre-meal blood glucose levels: Considering the current blood glucose level to adjust insulin doses (4).

3. Physical activity: Factoring in physical activity levels, as exercise can impact insulin sensitivity and glucose uptake (5).

4. Individual insulin sensitivity: Taking into account each person's unique insulin sensitivity and response to different types of insulin (6).

The American Diabetes Association (ADA) recommends using a patient-centered approach to insulin therapy, which involves:

1. Collaborative goal setting: Working with healthcare providers to set personalized blood glucose targets.

2. Individualized insulin regimens: Tailoring insulin doses and regimens to each person's unique needs and lifestyle.

3. Ongoing education and support: Providing patients with the knowledge and skills needed to manage their diabetes effectively (7).

In conclusion, while pre-meal blood glucose levels are an important factor in determining insulin doses, they should not be the sole consideration. A more comprehensive approach that takes into account meal requirements, physical activity, and individual insulin sensitivity is likely to result in more effective and safe insulin therapy.

References:

1. Overinsulinization: Cryer PE. Hypoglycemia in Diabetes: Pathophysiology, Prevalence, and Prevention. American Journal of Medicine. 2008;121(7):S3-S6. doi: 10.1016/j.amjmed.2008.03.001

2. Inadequate postprandial glucose control: Monnier L, Lapinski H, Colette C. Contributions of fasting and postprandial plasma glucose increments to the overall diurnal hyperglycemia of non-insulin-dependent diabetic patients. Diabetes. 2003;52(3):581-585. doi: 10.2337/diabetes.52.3.581

3. Carbohydrate counting: American Diabetes Association. Carbohydrate Counting. Diabetes Care. 2019;42(Supplement 1):S46-S49. doi: 10.2337/dc19-S004

4. Pre-meal blood glucose levels: American Diabetes Association. Standards of Medical Care in Diabetes. Diabetes Care. 2020;43(Supplement 1):S1-S212. doi: 10.2337/dc20-S001

5. Physical activity: Colberg SR, Sigal RJ, Yardley JE, et al. Physical Activity/Exercise and Diabetes: A Position Statement of the American Diabetes Association. Diabetes Care. 2016;39(11):2065-2079. doi: 10.2337/dc16-1728

6. Individual insulin sensitivity: Bergenstal RM, Garg S, Graff MR, et al. Safety and efficacy of insulin degludec (IDeg) compared with insulin glargine (IGlar) in patients with type 1 diabetes: A randomized, open-label, parallel-group trial. Diabetes, Obesity and Metabolism. 2012;14(11):1031-1040. doi: 10.1111/j.1463-1326.2012.01643.x

7. Patient-centered approach: American Diabetes Association. Standards of Medical Care in Diabetes. Diabetes Care. 2020;43(Supplement 1):S1-S212. doi: 10.2337/dc20-S001


Patient Advocate: 9.30am 2.5u lispro insulin 

9.35am rice with pulses, brinjal, tomato, beans, bitter gourd, chayote, carrot, beetroot, broccoli, butter and salad




Participant 20: Yes i agree. Rapid actings generally don't cause as much Hypos as the long actings and ideally should be tailored to the upcoming meal.

It also seems the patient never receives correctional doses at all?


PaJR PHR Moderator: Correctional dose are possible if they check the outcomes after two hours of insulin? Here the strategy for giving insulin before meals is partly related to utilise it as means to correct the pre meal insulin alone


Patient Advocate: 12.00noon apple 

1.30pm blood sugar 384

1.30pm 6.5u lispro insulin 

1.35pm lunch with same previous dish except butter 

6.30pm banana 

9.00pm 4u lantus insulin


Participant 20: I think you are pivoting on the premise of a Type 2 here (two hours after insulin).

However Lispro reaches its peak within an hour and can correct faster. Also these doses were devised based on CGM data.


Patient Advocate: 9.15pm blood sugar 120

9.15pm 0.5u lispro insulin 

9.20pm dinner with as same as lunch dish and papad


Participant 20: Can you please tell us why a Lispro dose of 0.5 units was decided on?

Also, how do you usually decide on the Lispro dose?


16/03/25

Patient Advocate: Lispro dose

For every 70 level sugar =1u lispro 

+

Meal =2.5u lispro 

Pre breakfast and snacks = 1 - 2u lispro 

But at dinner we use 2 - 2.5u less lispro because it was seen when we used lispro as same as others meal then suger level come down in very low 

( Sir we do not calculate the curbs of every food, so we use the lispro dose as assumption.

When lispro dose was 2u for the meal then the sugar level always high)

Some times suggest me in this group to reduce and increase the lispro dose.


Patient Advocate: 16=03=25

7.45am fasting blood sugar 213

7.45am milk and puffed rice


Patient Advocate: 9.30am 5u lispro insulin 

9.35am rice with pulses, carrot, broccoli, bitter gourd, chayote, beetroot, tomato, beans , peas, butter and salad 

11.45am blood suger 85

1.30pm 2.5u lispro insulin 

1.35pm lunch with same previous dish except butter and include chicken


Participant 20: I see. Thanks for clarifying. Would you want to start carb counting then?


Patient Advocate: Ofcourse Sir, thank you


Participant 20: Great. Would you be willing to take a carb counting course ? Such as DAFNE or BERTIE ?


Patient Advocate: How  and where?


Participant 20: Please see if you can find some relevant information here - https://dafne.nhs.uk/


Patient Advocate: 6.30pm oats

8.00pm solty biscuit 2pcs 

9.00pm 4u lantus insulin 

9.15pm blood sugar 329

9.15pm 4u lispro insulin 

9.20pm dinner with as same as lunch dish


17/03/25

Patient Advocate: 17.03.25

7.45am fasting blood sugar 115

7.45am milk

9.45am chocolate biscuit 2pcs 

10.45am 4.5u lispro insulin 

10.50wm rice with pulses and egg


PaJR PHR Moderator: πŸ‘


Patient Advocate: 12.00noon grapes 

1.45pm blood sugar 87

1.45pm 2.5u lispro insulin 

1.50pm lunch with same previous dish except egg and include carrot, tomato, peas, chayote, pumpkin, cabbage, fish and salad


18/03/25

Patient Advocate: 4.00pm blood sugar 125

6.30 pm banana 

7.00pm 1/3 paratha

9.00pm 4u lantus insulin 

9.15pm blood sugar 406

9.15pm 4u lispro insulin

9.20pm dinner with as same as lunch dish


Patient Advocate: 18.03.25

7.45am fasting blood sugar 186

7.45am milk 

9.30am  4u lispro insulin 

9.35am rice with pulses, carrot, tomato, peas, chayote, pumpkin, cabbage, beetroot, egg and salad


PaJR PHR Moderator: πŸ‘


Patient Advocate: 12.00noon apple

1.30pm blood sugar 133.

1.30pm 3u lispro insulin 

1.35pm  lunch with same previous dish except egg and include fish 

6.30pm banana 

9.00pm 4u lantus insulin 9.15pm blood sugar 208

9.15pm  1.5u lispro insulin 9.20pm dinner with as same as lunch dish


19/03/25

Patient Advocate: 19.03.25

7.45am fasting blood sugar 163

7.45am milk with puffed rice 

9.45am 4u lispro insulin 

9.50am rice with,pulses, carrot, tomato, peas, chayote, pumpkin, cabbage, beetroot, brinjal, cauliflower, spinach, egg and salad 

12.15pm grapes

1.30pm blood sugar 69

1.30pm 2.5u lispro insulin 

1.35pm lunch with same previous dish except egg and include fish


20/03/25

Patient Advocate: 6.30pm banana, milk and puffed rice 

9.00pm 4u lantus insulin 

9.15pm blood 454

9.15pm 5u lispro insulin 

9.20pm dinner with as same as lunch dish


Patient Advocate: 20.03.25

7.45 am fasting blood sugar 52

7.45am milk 

9.30am 3u lispro insulin 

9.35am rice with pulses, carrot, tomato, peas, chayote, pumpkin, cabbage, egg and


PaJR PHR Moderator: The lispro higher dose effect got carried forward inspite of it's promised short duration of action? @Participant 20


Participant 20: I think much more likely is Dawn's

It's happening daily and unlikely due to Lispro now.

Can give Lantus ideally with the 6 30 PM snack there and dinner could be earlier

Can we consider Freestyle Libre 2 for 14 days here?


PaJR PHR Moderator: Suggested earlier. Wasn't possible due to various factors

Suggested earlier. Wasn't possible due to various factors

Her problem today was fasting hypoglycemia

Dawn would be if she had hyperglycemia?


Participant 20: This can wait "Can we consider Freestyle Libre 2 for 14 days here?"

This should be prioritized "Can give Lantus ideally with the 6 30 PM snack there and dinner could be earlier"

Yes I agree but the hypoglycemia has to be interpreted in context. Is it then leading to a hyperglycemia? Do we have 10 AM or 11 AM sugars? What is the child's sleep cycle?

I'm also under the impression, the child is getting a cyclical hypoglycemia with pretty much the same doses.


PaJR PHR Moderator: They mentioned the reason for which I shall need to scroll up. Any way AI can search it out @Narmeen Shah or @Patient Advocate can you tell us again the reasons for your patient's family's inability to have an early dinner as suggested earlier?


Participant 20: Can we get a graph of her blood sugars in the last 1 or two weeks?

This is exactly why we need the CGM. It can show a pattern for the last 2 weeks


PaJR PHR Moderator: Can perhaps be found out if we revisit her already gathered data @Narmeen Shah may be able to prompt the full case URL


Participant 20: What milk is she taking at 630 in the evening? Normal buffalo milk?


 PaJR PHR Moderator: Can

@Narmeen Shah has previously shared it here

https://pajrcasereporter.blogspot.com/2025/02/3-years-old-child-type-1diabetes.html?m=1


Participant 20: The best efficacy to prevent a Dawn's is to increase Protein carb ratio evening meal and exercise in the evening

The diet is mixed but looks deficient in protein.

Milk + Puffed rice + white rice is perhaps a bit too much carbs.


Participant 20: @PaJR PHR Moderator I think we should consider Tresiba now.

Switch the Lantus to Tresiba.


Participant 20: Reviewed this chart in detail. My analysis is that Lantus in her is lasting for about 16 to 18 hrs. Which explains the cyclical Hypos as we are needing to chase the one off Hyper with an increase in 1 unit of Lantus and then subsequent Hypo. Or she appears to be having antibodies to Insulin and Lantus unfortunately is notorious to develop antibodies in patients.

So the solution is to either move the Lantus dose - 2 hours everyday but this would be impractical as there will be days when it will disturb her sleep.

The solution would be to do an Ultra long acting Degludec which is well past 24 hours and also has lesser Hypos compared to Glargine U100

@Patient Advocate could you please share a picture of all insulins she is receiving?


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